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Old 15th August 2020, 16:58   #1
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MS Dhoni announces his retirement

Former Indian captain MS Dhoni has announced his retirement. A definite Goliath of the modern game, as Indian captain he took them to test number one and won the one day and T20 world cups and the Champions Trophy. More than anything he probably personified India's eventual acceptance of T20 cricket and the rise of the IPL.
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Old 15th August 2020, 19:18   #2
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He was one of those cricketers I never really took to despite his excellence.
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Old 15th August 2020, 20:33   #3
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Don't feel I really knew his personality tbh, found him a bit closed and emotionless but I guess in some sense he didn't have much presence or links to the English game.
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Old 15th August 2020, 20:45   #4
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Don't feel I really knew his personality tbh, found him a bit closed and emotionless but I guess in some sense he didn't have much presence or links to the English game.
That could be part of it. I thought his attitude to DRS was pretty ludicrous too.
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Old 15th August 2020, 20:49   #5
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That could be part of it. I thought his attitude to DRS was pretty ludicrous too.
Yep, one of the stranger turns in modern cricket.
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Old 17th August 2020, 10:17   #6
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Definitely one of the most influential Indian cricketers of all time. He was a mediocre captain in Tests, waiting for things to happen, but he was pretty good in ODIs and T20s. He was one of the fastest runners between the wickets and, in his prime, one of the best finishers in the limited overs cricket. The fact that he came from a small town and made it big in Indian cricket is definitely commendable. I guess we will probably see him in the administrative side of things very soon.
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Old 17th August 2020, 11:11   #7
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He was one of those cricketers I never really took to despite his excellence.
Likewise - and the last 5 years have done nothing to enhance his legacy. I've found many of his innings in ODI's suggesting that the anti corruption team should be having a look.
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Old 17th August 2020, 11:34   #8
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Likewise - and the last 5 years have done nothing to enhance his legacy. I've found many of his innings in ODI's suggesting that the anti corruption team should be having a look.
I am sceptical that you would have said the same thing were Dhoni English or Australian. Some of his recent limited over innings have been turgid, but then if we want to question such innings we could also look at, for example, Trott's 86 off 115 against SL in the 2011 WC quarter, or the England collapse on the way to victory in the 2013 ICC Champions Trophy final during that dubious period when the "stats" suggested if you scored 235 in the first innings the odds were you'd win more than lose.

Dhoni's approach to finish innings later in his career was similar to the middle part, just as he got older his ability to accelerate diminished.
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He was one of those cricketers I never really took to despite his excellence.
Same. Never found any part of his style aesthetically enjoyable and his disinterest in test cricket showed. I honestly thought he had already retired until his name came up during last years world cup.
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I am sceptical that you would have said the same thing were Dhoni English or Australian. Some of his recent limited over innings have been turgid, but then if we want to question such innings we could also look at, for example, Trott's 86 off 115 against SL in the 2011 WC quarter, or the England collapse on the way to victory in the 2013 ICC Champions Trophy final during that dubious period when the "stats" suggested if you scored 235 in the first innings the odds were you'd win more than lose.

Dhoni's approach to finish innings later in his career was similar to the middle part, just as he got older his ability to accelerate diminished.
Trott only ever had one way of batting, he was consistently slow. Maybe Dhoni just got slower and slower and his reputation was getting him picked rather than his actual form. But some of his innings in defeat suggested he never had a plan to try and win the game.
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He was one of those cricketers I never really took to despite his excellence.
you are not alone there, some cricketers are likeable and he just isn't/wasn't
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Old 20th August 2020, 16:07   #12
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Dhoni's story is one of rising above systemic privileges that he was completely shut out of to rise to the top of a very competitive profession.

If recent global events have taught me something, it is that certain people can't even (or don't want to) recognize that systemic privilege even exists in this world. So I'm not going to waste my energy elaborating on why Dhoni was so remarkable and brilliant.

The fact that, leave alone manage a odd grudging word in appreciation of a man who won everything there was to win in international cricket (apart from his exceptional individual achievements), one of the few posts here questions the very integrity of one of the most amazing finishers of all time because his skills faded with time (I mean, that would never happen to an English or Australian cricketer would it) speaks volumes really.

All this is particularly ironic in a year where, if two of the least privileged teams in world cricket hadn't borne significant personal risk and discomfort to tour a country with an awful record of managing Covid-19, the financials of a board underpinned by one of the world's richest economies would have collapsed completely.
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Dhoni's story is one of rising above systemic privileges that he was completely shut out of to rise to the top of a very competitive profession.

If recent global events have taught me something, it is that certain people can't even (or don't want to) recognize that systemic privilege even exists in this world. So I'm not going to waste my energy elaborating on why Dhoni was so remarkable and brilliant.

The fact that, leave alone manage a odd grudging word in appreciation of a man who won everything there was to win in international cricket (apart from his exceptional individual achievements), one of the few posts here questions the very integrity of one of the most amazing finishers of all time because his skills faded with time (I mean, that would never happen to an English or Australian cricketer would it) speaks volumes really.

All this is particularly ironic in a year where, if two of the least privileged teams in world cricket hadn't borne significant personal risk and discomfort to tour a country with an awful record of managing Covid-19, the financials of a board underpinned by one of the world's richest economies would have collapsed completely.
Why rise to the bait?

It is okay to not like certain cricketers, even if they achieve everything. As for questioning his integrity, I'd like to believe he's innocent until proven guilty.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of Dhoni because of his seeming disinterest towards tests, but I completely understand the impact he has had on Indian cricket, especially coming from such a small town and making it so big. It hasn't been easy for Dhoni to make such a mark. He is one of the most loved cricketers in India, and what he's done with Chennai Super Kings in IPL is remarkable.
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What a ridiculous thread.

Dhoni is and was a legend of Indian cricket. He was the next messiah after Sachin.

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Morgan, Gayle, Klusener, Symonds, Afridi ( The Shahid veriefy), Yuvraj, Hussey, etc for dinterest in or of! Oh and Simon Harmer!



God, what next, Kallis is not the best all rounder ever born.



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Not even top 10 for mine. Too ordinary with the ball.
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I am sceptical that you would have said the same thing were Dhoni English or Australian.
I have to say I thought the same as SC, the only reason I didn't think it likely was that as the biggest star in India cricket he presumably needed the money less than pretty much any other cricketer, I imagine he's much much richer than any English or Australian cricketer.

With that being said I always liked watching him play until his batting in the last couple of years, his LOI keeping was still top notch towards the end.

Never really thought too much about his personality or his effect on Indian cricket, I wouldn't for any non English player really as it's hard to judge from afar.
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Not even top 10 for mine. Too ordinary with the ball.
Then Sir, you are a moron with no appreciation of cricketers outside your racial bubble.

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