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Old 24th July 2020, 12:08   #21
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Phew. At least sibley won’t lose us this match by scoring too quickly like he did the last one.
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Old 24th July 2020, 12:10   #22
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Strange selection. Unless Stokes can't bowl it makes no sense.
Even if Stokes can't bowl, most teams get by with 3 seamers and a spinner.
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Old 24th July 2020, 12:11   #23
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Well, our selection looks stupid 5 balls in
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Old 24th July 2020, 12:23   #24
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Well, our selection looks stupid 5 balls in
For the second match in this series, England do their best to try and lose before they even reach the middle. Very harsh on Crawley, although I guess he is the most dispensable.

Woakes won't take the new ball in this match, so should not be playing.
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Old 24th July 2020, 12:29   #25
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Even if Stokes can't bowl, most teams get by with 3 seamers and a spinner.
On most occasians teams go into a test matches with the thinking, avoid defeat (bat big) and then go for the win (take 20 wickets). 3 seamers and a spinner is the logical selection there.

England are going into this test with a slightly different mentality as it's basically a must win game. Taking 20 wickets is the only priority, and taking them as fast as possible is a must.
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Old 24th July 2020, 12:41   #26
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Sorry for not being able to change up until now. Anyway all done and up and running now. Just got home after being out all morning and I see Windies have a wicket already. With 2 bad days forecast it may well be difficult to force a result even with 2 poor batting lineups. Anyway, Gabriel looks like he is struggling now.
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Old 24th July 2020, 12:45   #27
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So Windies drop a fast bowler, put us in and then lose another injured. No wonder Mikey is unhappy, makes our selections look totally sensible.
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For the second match in this series, England do their best to try and lose before they even reach the middle. Very harsh on Crawley, although I guess he is the most dispensable.

Woakes won't take the new ball in this match, so should not be playing.
They could have kept Crawley in by giving Pope the gloves. At this stage though it's hard to know which of Crawley and Buttler would have the best impact on a match. I'd also have looked at keeping Curran in for Woakes because Bess bowled much better when he had his footmarks to aim for at one end.
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I too was utterly perplexed by Crawley being dropped. He's one who probably needs to be taken care of a bit. He's been picked on the basis of potential rather than weight of runs in county cricket. Seems an even more vulnerable line-up with Root batting at 3. He's already looked like he could have nicked off on a few occasions.
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I am struggling to see the case for starting a match with three seam and one spin. WI have shown why this is daft
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I am struggling to see the case for starting a match with three seam and one spin. WI have shown why this is daft
You could argue they have 3 seam and 2 spin, but when there's an injury cloud over a seamer it seems daft. Even dafter to bowl first.

However, the best England team of the last 50 years was built on that precise strategy.
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FFS two warnings with dodgy running and we still got Root run out.
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Even if their batting is still rather ropey, this edition of the Windies is clearly a better bowling and fielding outfit. It has to be said though that Root was poor in setting off there.
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Discussion on when the England 4 pronged attack had a breakdown. Surely Adelaide 2010 was an example. Broad broke down and didn't much bowl in the 2nd innings. That was a real manful effort from Finn and Anderson to support Swann, with a little help from a fella who managed to get Michael Clarke with the last ball of the 4th day, who offered a bat-pad to short leg but didn't walk and was out on review in the very early days of DRS.

Edit: I checked Root's record since the start of the 2017/18 Ashes tour. 34 tests 4 tons at an average of 38. He really has been mediocre for quite some time.
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I am struggling to see the case for starting a match with three seam and one spin. WI have shown why this is daft
McGrath, Gillespie, Lee and Warne all disagree with you.
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Old 24th July 2020, 15:12   #36
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Whatever happened to the call for a run backward of square being the non-striker's? Burns should be running, not sending Root back. Not to say Root's judgement was all that for what could have been rather risky.
Edit: now I am unclear about what happened here. I must see the highlights, but it seems Root may have done it to himself.

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McGrath, Gillespie, Lee and Warne all disagree with you.
Australia during that period had some very good part time bowlers to take some of the workload.

Waugh brothers, Katich, Clarke, Symonds, Watson and Lehmann. All with bowling averages comfortably under 40 apart from Mark Waugh
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McGrath, Gillespie, Lee and Warne all disagree with you.
That is what a world class spin bowler does. Swap warne for bess and see what they do!

Even that side often had a Waugh or symonds or Clarke do some bowing.

Englandís four man attack also included colly.
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Australia during that period had some very good part time bowlers to take some of the workload.

Waugh brothers, Katich, Clarke, Symonds, Watson and Lehmann. All with bowling averages comfortably under 40 apart from Mark Waugh
Sorry. I replied before seeing this. Did they ever play a side that didnít include a very able part time bowler?
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Looks like we're struggling.
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