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Old 5th August 2020, 17:25   #41
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... Is international umpiring by an élite panel of umpires incapable of doing what domestic umpires do as a matter of course?
Yes. At county level all the on-field umpiring decisions are correct, whereas at international quite a lot of them are wrong.
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Old 5th August 2020, 17:35   #42
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The ball or the preceding post?!

Rain again in Manchester, well I never.
Once again glorious in London. I appreciate the venues here aren't biosecure but it's not as if this is the first year where we've had to put up with this issue. At least the drainage is sorted now.
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Old 5th August 2020, 18:20   #44
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No-balls are being called at first sight by the third umpire in this match.

In the county matches just played, the on-field umpires had no difficulty doing the job themselves. Is international umpiring by an élite panel of umpires incapable of doing what domestic umpires do as a matter of course?

(I appreciate that in the current situation we haven’t got élite-panel umpires flying round the world to officiate at international cricket).
Don't know about county cricket but in tests umpires increasingly don't call no balls unless there's a wicket. It also relieves the burden on the on field umpires in that they can now concentrate on the business end. In county matches without the technology we have to accept that mistakes will be made and carry on.
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Does anyone else suspect that this summer, with no prospect of restive spectators or refunds, the umpires have been even less willing than usual to countenance test cricket being played in anything other than blazing sunshine? The basic pattern is that if it's cloudy, they're not playing.
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Old 5th August 2020, 18:50   #46
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Does anyone else suspect that this summer, with no prospect of restive spectators or refunds, the umpires have been even less willing than usual to countenance test cricket being played in anything other than blazing sunshine? The basic pattern is that if it's cloudy, they're not playing.
They're at it again within 5 minutes of coming back on.
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Old 5th August 2020, 18:51   #47
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Does anyone else suspect that this summer, with no prospect of restive spectators or refunds, the umpires have been even less willing than usual to countenance test cricket being played in anything other than blazing sunshine? The basic pattern is that if it's cloudy, they're not playing.
I don't know why they just don't play all Test cricket with a pink ball and stay on in all light conditions.
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Is Jos the most indulged player in test history? Not good enough with the gloves, not good enough with the bat. How much more evidence is needed before he is cut loose?
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Jos.... That stumping attempt was woeful, hands were far too low to react. Lazy keeping.The catch was actually more difficult.
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The umpires didn't keep them on long.

The fake crowd were livid. A fake police escort had to get those fake umpires off the field safely.
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Jos.... That stumping attempt was woeful, hands were far too low to react. Lazy keeping.The catch was actually more difficult.
Incompetence in a wicket keeper is not a great look.
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Is Jos the most indulged player in test history? Not good enough with the gloves, not good enough with the bat. How much more evidence is needed before he is cut loose?
You were about during the GoJO years weren’t you? Jos is a far better keeper and batsman!
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I don't know why they just don't play all Test cricket with a pink ball and stay on in all light conditions.
But then they would have to play when it was cloudy. Where's the fun in that?

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Incompetence in a wicket keeper is not a great look.
It is a common look for England wicketkeepers, since they are so rarely chosen on the basis of wicketkeeping competence.
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Pak will be thrilled to be just 2 down with Babar still at the crease, that looked a very dicey decision to bat first at the start of the day but could yet pay dividends if their leggies come to the party. No idea how Shan survived even with the help of Jos's ineptitude as a keeper. Pak's batting is wafer thin with just the five specialist bats, so Azam will need a huge ton to put them on top.
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Pak will be thrilled to be just 2 down with Babar still at the crease, that looked a very dicey decision to bat first at the start of the day but could yet pay dividends if their leggies come to the party. No idea how Shan survived even with the help of Jos's ineptitude as a keeper. Pak's batting is wafer thin with just the five specialist bats, so Azam will need a huge ton to put them on top.
England have a tail starting at 7 as well though. Can’t see the lower order dealing with Yasir.
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We're not going to see any quick scoring then.
Might see a front defensive shot with a decent stride in, just hate seeing batsmen with the almost "ball comes to me" defensive that looks so bad, especially if LBW or nothing between ball and stumps
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Pakistan will be the happier of the two sides, although 2-3 wickets in the first hour and be a very different picture.

Speculation about how much Bess might bowl has been in part answered, 9-1-30-0 and only two bowlers have bowled more overs, Broad and wicket taking Archer. But laughably with Root giving himself three overs the spinners have bowled more overs than any quick, not that they've been expensive or anything just on a day with weather curtailing play you might expect not to see much spin at all.

Reckon if England don't get this lot out for 350 or less this is a game England could easily lose, saving grace being the weather but even losing a day, day and a half, you still have to bat reasonably and with a (decent) score up against you any side is vulnerable let alone England!
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The forecast for the rest of the week is good. Bess should've got the left hander (twice) but he seems innocuous bowling to right handers (and Pakistan have plenty). The issue seems to be that because Stokes can't bowl, we need another bowler and consequently a spinner who can bat.

Anderson's spell after lunch yesterday was one of the worst I've seen him bowl. I'd be surprised if he played the second Test either through form or fitness.
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Pakistan will be the happier of the two sides, although 2-3 wickets in the first hour and be a very different picture.

Speculation about how much Bess might bowl has been in part answered, 9-1-30-0 and only two bowlers have bowled more overs, Broad and wicket taking Archer. But laughably with Root giving himself three overs the spinners have bowled more overs than any quick, not that they've been expensive or anything just on a day with weather curtailing play you might expect not to see much spin at all.
It's only the weather that meant the spinners did bowl although England would have been better off just bowling Archer and going straight off for bad light as it turns out.

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Anderson's spell after lunch yesterday was one of the worst I've seen him bowl. I'd be surprised if he played the second Test either through form or fitness.
I'd have thought with Stokes partly injured it would have made more sense to play Curran for Jimmy in this game if they're going to rotate again, unless there's no chance Stokes can bowl next week.
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