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Old 2nd September 2020, 09:30   #41
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No point in playing an "all rounder" if they are only going to bowl one over and score 1 run.

6 bowlers and 5 batsmen - or vice versa.

Pick the best players in the best form around that format.
What about if they take a wicket and score a 30 ball 60?
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Old 2nd September 2020, 14:35   #42
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What about if they take a wicket and score a 30 ball 60?
Nobody remembers if you fail to see it through to the victory.
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Old 2nd September 2020, 14:47   #43
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No point in playing an "all rounder" if they are only going to bowl one over and score 1 run.

6 bowlers and 5 batsmen - or vice versa.

Pick the best players in the best form around that format.
Might be more of a case for six bowlers in ODIs, but my feeling is England overload the side in T20Is and don't need the bowler.

Ali went for 10 runs off his only over, and a wicket innit, but didn't bowl again. Whether there's a switch in Morgan's head that says a bowler goes for X so take him off I don't know, but unless they went for 20 or 30 I'd be giving bowlers 2+ overs where possible

I looked at the England lower order when England were 4 down, Curran, Jordan, Rashid, Mahmood and doesn't convince me the bowling balances the batting 'potential'



My personal preference if I were structuredly picking a side is -

- pick 4 best batsmen*
- pick 3 best bowlers*
- align in optimum batting slot
- fill in the blanks with the keeper picked probably going to be a batting keeper, but can be measured if you're looking to fill eg #7 or #8 slot
- pick best spinner if not already one of best 3.

*on merit of specified skill ie not batsmen who can bowl, or bowlers who can bat


Just means you are picking SEVEN of your best players across the disciplines, eight if you count the keeper and balances the batting vs bowling needs without too many "bits n pieces" players.


Bowlers ought to be in the side with the aim of bowling 4 overs in T20Is, if they get tonked for like 25+ off their first two overs then damage is already done, and you don't know what their last two overs might go for or if the sixth option bowling the last two will do any better or worse.

It's the damage done bit annoys me, as you've theoretically picked your best five options and then placing the sixth (best) bowler to complete one of their allocations, or just share the burden as if hoping the permutations of overs get you lowest runs conceded.
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Old 2nd September 2020, 15:23   #44
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Nobody remembers if you fail to see it through to the victory.
Quite. We can erase that one from the memory banks as irrelevant, counter to the thesis that Moeen is washed up. Can't let the facts etc.
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Old 2nd September 2020, 15:29   #45
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Quite. We can erase that one from the memory banks as irrelevant, counter to the thesis that Moeen is washed up. Can't let the facts etc.
Does that mean I have to erase the 6 he hit off Shaheen from the memory banks too? Shot of the Summer for me, glorious.
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Old 2nd September 2020, 15:36   #46
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Does that mean I have to erase the 6 he hit off Shaheen from the memory banks too? Shot of the Summer for me, glorious.
Yeah. Sorry about that. Maybe a furtive shufty on YouTube might be overlooked.
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About the omission of Joe Root because he isn't a big hitter, Australia have gone down the opposite route and recalled Steve Smith to the T20 side after 3 years absence. They see him as anchoring the innings while the big hitters play around him, interesting to see if it works.
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About the omission of Joe Root because he isn't a big hitter, Australia have gone down the opposite route and recalled Steve Smith to the T20 side after 3 years absence. They see him as anchoring the innings while the big hitters play around him, interesting to see if it works.
Smith is actually a pretty dynamic t20 batsman, and puts his unorthodoxy to good use. His record is just so mediocre because he played most of his games as a front-line bowler, and then not at all when he developed as a specialist batsman. But since he's returned to the format at international level he's averaged 83 with a strike rate of 148 from 9 games. If anything they'll use Labuschagne as an anchor, if at all.
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Smith is actually a pretty dynamic t20 batsman, and puts his unorthodoxy to good use. His record is just so mediocre because he played most of his games as a front-line bowler, and then not at all when he developed as a specialist batsman. But since he's returned to the format at international level he's averaged 83 with a strike rate of 148 from 9 games. If anything they'll use Labuschagne as an anchor, if at all.
It always amazes me when I see a re-run of the 2010 World Cup Final that Smith was a bowler in that. It's funny how two of the best batsmen of this Century started off life as spinners (Pietersen).

England have an embarrassment of riches with regards T20 batting. Root basically lost his place to Malan who averages 50 with a strike rate of 149. Of those not/unlikely to play in this series, you could create a Top 5 of Roy, Hales, Root, Stokes, Billings.
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It always amazes me when I see a re-run of the 2010 World Cup Final that Smith was a bowler in that. It's funny how two of the best batsmen of this Century started off life as spinners (Pietersen).

England have an embarrassment of riches with regards T20 batting. Root basically lost his place to Malan who averages 50 with a strike rate of 149. Of those not/unlikely to play in this series, you could create a Top 5 of Roy, Hales, Root, Stokes, Billings.
For some reason the format suits us better than the 50 over game, probably because we don't have to negotiate with that middle overs slump we seem to struggle with lately. I expect to be competitive, if a little rusty in those games, but we will get wiped in the ODI's. We have no understanding of what the batting strategy is in those and just pray one of Warner or Finch goes big and Starc has a good day.
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Hefty tail for England - Jordan at 7 .
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Hefty tail for England - Jordan at 7 .
Very, but both sides betting on getting early wickets.

England look a stokes short though.
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I would open with Banton and save buttler for middle overs. He can score anywhere but Banton far better with field up.
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I would open with Banton and save buttler for middle overs. He can score anywhere but Banton far better with field up.
Indeed read that England are looking for a lower middle order finisher but they have one and seem to see him as an opener.
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I would open with Banton and save buttler for middle overs. He can score anywhere but Banton far better with field up.
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Nice over from Buttler. A few more like that please.
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Pitch looks slow and a bit two paced.
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I dont get Malan, his stats stand up great but I haver seen him as a T20 player. So far I think both Joss and Banton have felt under pressure fron his scoring rate.
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Malan holding it together.

Ali not up to it vz Oz as usual.
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Malan holding it together.
He has the odd big shot but is unable to rotate the strike and therefore puts pressure on the other batsman.

If you dont get it, you dont get it!

Ali and Morgan out to Maxwells "Bullsiht" is poor.

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