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Old 26th August 2020, 13:44   #381
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Bess average of 56 with bat and ball. Where is Jack?
obviously Bessie's batting was pivotal in the series....

Only Broad (13 wickets) and Anderson (11 wickets) bowled more overs than Bess (3 wickets), nothing staggering about his series batting contribution (28 runs)

he is consistent in as much as he averaged 40 with the ball in 2018 and averaged 40 with the ball in 2020, although his ER has gone down and his SR up!



There was a decent amount of play in the match (around 330 overs, around 75% of scheduled overs), I noted this morning that Broad and Anderson took 10/168 whilst Woakes, Archer and Bess took 3/250 - and reputedly Anderson had four catches/chances missed in 37 balls..........

Latter three bowled plenty of overs, although bowling a side out in 80-90 overs twice needs more than just 1-2 bowlers to fire some if not most of the time
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Old 26th August 2020, 13:52   #382
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I have to disagree. We’re in the middle of a pandemic. The effort made by the ECB and other bodies to stage six test matches, and the success of the venture are to be applauded. Even more so, the agreement by the West Indies and Pakistan cricket authorities to send teams to England, despite worries about safety.

The two venues chosen have hotels on site, enabling the creation of bio-secure environments. Unfortunately there could be no spectators, but the matches would be televised for viewing here and overseas.

Of course I ageee that the absence of spectators, noise, singing and cheering was a loss. But the main thing is that we had cricket, meaningful matches in meaningful series. There was a competitive spirit in all the games. We saw a new young batsman make a big double hundred, and Jos Buttler finally look like a test batsman. We noticed that our slip fielders are unreliable. And that one player noted for grumpiness could be relied on to be grumpy.

Weather had throughout been something to grumble about. Many hours lost to actual rain and actual bad light; too many hours lost to an inability or unwillingness to get on with things, particularly on this last day of the test match. But on the final afternoon, Jimmy Anderson took his 600th test wicket and team-mates and fans celebrated.

It wasn’t the same, of course it wasn’t. But the atmosphere was not pathetic. The emotion and passion was all there.
Not too sure which points you disagree with tbh. I made no criticism of the quality of the play or the grounds and staff. The decision to close the grounds to spectators was, of course correct. I was at Headingley in '81. I went with my dad on the Saturday. As a groundsman he delegated the weekend pitches to his second in command. I simply find it sad that very few people will be able to tell their grandchildren "I was there when Jimmy got his 600th" Without the plague, few would have gone home, despite the weather. When Lara got his 400 it was in front of thousands of fans. The use of the word "pathetic" is, IMO, valid. The response of the players was excellent. Both the WI and Pak have been brilliant all summer. They were not only competitive, but sporting too.
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Old 26th August 2020, 14:05   #383
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People talk about Jimmy's landmark missing a crowd but given it didn't start till 4.15 and a result very unlikely I doubt many people would have turned up anyway.
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Old 26th August 2020, 14:10   #384
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I think the greatest sadness is millions sat in their homes, many badly affected psychologically and/or mourning their lost relatives and only highlights have been on terrestrial TV so a few thousand could watch it

at least football was shown on TV
Contracts for the TV rights would have been signed long before the pandemic. Cricket lovers without Sky have been deprived of live test cricket for years. TMS still gave full coverage on radio, as usual. And my window cleaner said he’d been watching it in the pub.

How many millions in this country are actually interested in cricket? Football rules, as we all know.

Your cheap gibe about people suffering psychologically or grieving for lost relatives is unworthy of you.
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Old 26th August 2020, 15:23   #385
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obviously Bessie's batting was pivotal in the series....

Only Broad (13 wickets) and Anderson (11 wickets) bowled more overs than Bess (3 wickets), nothing staggering about his series batting contribution (28 runs)

he is consistent in as much as he averaged 40 with the ball in 2018 and averaged 40 with the ball in 2020, although his ER has gone down and his SR up!



There was a decent amount of play in the match (around 330 overs, around 75% of scheduled overs), I noted this morning that Broad and Anderson took 10/168 whilst Woakes, Archer and Bess took 3/250 - and reputedly Anderson had four catches/chances missed in 37 balls..........

Latter three bowled plenty of overs, although bowling a side out in 80-90 overs twice needs more than just 1-2 bowlers to fire some if not most of the time
That was only 73 percent of the scheduled overs, by the way, but I'd agree England shelled too many catches, likely at least partially due to poor light conditions. A rather disappointing ending to the test match summer with the wicket becoming too flat for a result. Credit the Pakistan batters for their obduracy also.
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Old 26th August 2020, 15:49   #386
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That puts the longevity in perspective for me. His first Test wicket was taken a month before my eldest daughter was born - she's now halfway through her A Levels!!
I was finishing my PGCE when he started his test career. Sadly I won’t be able to retire when Jimmy does.
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Old 26th August 2020, 20:12   #387
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There were some promising signs for England in that series. They just can't quite shift that "bits and pieces" mentality though. Picking Sam Curran for the second test wasn't scandalous in itself, but justifying it as "strengthening the batting" was absurd.

Bess isn't a test match level spinner no matter how affable and lovely he is as a human. They can't have Jos behind the stumps in India, that's a recipe for missed stumpings galore.
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There were some promising signs for England in that series. They just can't quite shift that "bits and pieces" mentality though. Picking Sam Curran for the second test wasn't scandalous in itself, but justifying it as "strengthening the batting" was absurd.

Bess isn't a test match level spinner no matter how affable and lovely he is as a human. They can't have Jos behind the stumps in India, that's a recipe for missed stumpings galore.
Sam’s got talent and I’d like to see him get more opportunities. He has boundless enthusiasm and always takes at least a wicket or two. “Strengthening the batting” though is an exaggeration.

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Old 26th August 2020, 22:26   #389
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That puts the longevity in perspective for me. His first Test wicket was taken a month before my eldest daughter was born - she's now halfway through her A Levels!!
I was doing my A-levels in 2003. Now I’m two years after finishing specialty training, with a two year old.
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Old 27th August 2020, 00:07   #390
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Sam’s got talent and I’d like to see him get more opportunities. He has boundless enthusiasm and always takes at least a wicket or two. “Strengthening the batting” though is an exaggeration.

Is your name in honour of the original bearer or an ironic reference?
I like Sam Curran and there is an argument in English conditions that he could be picked as the fifth bowler instead of the spinner.

Ultimately though, he isn't quite there yet. He needs another yard of pace with the ball, and his batting hasn't again hit the heights it hit Vs India.
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I like Sam Curran and there is an argument in English conditions that he could be picked as the fifth bowler instead of the spinner.

Ultimately though, he isn't quite there yet. He needs another yard of pace with the ball, and his batting hasn't again hit the heights it hit Vs India.
During Sam's teenage years I expected him to become the type of player Ben Stokes is now, i.e a top six batsman and fifth bowler. Unfortunately his batting hasn't developed and he's had long spells of not playing any first class cricket, due to being picked for all sorts of other cricket and being in and out of the Test side as a third seamer who can bat.
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