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Old 22nd August 2020, 20:41   #141
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The wicket fell at 19:28. Surely they should only walk off if the wicket falls after the scheduled close (19:30 in this instance)?
Less than 3 minutes before the close of play or any other interval they can call time.
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Old 22nd August 2020, 20:45   #142
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Less than 3 minutes before the close of play or any other interval they can call time.
I guess it doesnít really matter but itís almost as if theyíre looking for any excuse not to play.
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Old 22nd August 2020, 21:09   #143
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I guess it doesnít really matter but itís almost as if theyíre looking for any excuse not to play.
Not really, in this instance.
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Old 22nd August 2020, 21:16   #144
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Isn't it three minutes for the change of batsman so would've taken play past half past, hence why they walked off?
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Old 22nd August 2020, 21:35   #145
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Oh deary me. I gave Pakistan a soft pass from their shellacking in Australia because it can be difficult for subcontinental sides to come to grips with the fast bouncy wickets, especially against an attack as good as ours in home environment, but they look truly substandard, akin to Bangladesh or Zimbabwe bar a few decent bats. Take Yasir out, and I can't think of a worse Pakistani bowling attack they've fielded? They've got no business playing someone as green and quite off the mark as an international bowler as Naseem across all three test. It really is poor management. I can't imagine this is the best they have to offer?
It's a green attack. Even Abbas as the senior guy has only 20 tests to his name.

Jimmy Anderson is older than Naseem and Shaheen combined
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Old 22nd August 2020, 21:50   #146
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I guess it doesnít really matter but itís almost as if theyíre looking for any excuse not to play.
I have always thought that the over should be completed in these circumstances. If a wicket doesnít fall, the over is completed; itís another example of batsmen being favoured over bowlers.
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Old 22nd August 2020, 22:23   #147
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It's a green attack. Even Abbas as the senior guy has only 20 tests to his name.

Jimmy Anderson is older than Naseem and Shaheen combined
Their ages a bit dubious. Naseem's never 17.
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Old 22nd August 2020, 22:36   #148
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Their ages a bit dubious. Naseem's never 17.
So you keep saying. He looks it to me.
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Old 22nd August 2020, 22:50   #149
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Not really, in this instance.
They don’t come off part way through the final over of the day once the scheduled close time is reached if a wicket doesn’t fall so why should they do so if one does?

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I have always thought that the over should be completed in these circumstances. If a wicket doesn’t fall, the over is completed; it’s another example of batsmen being favoured over bowlers.
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Old 22nd August 2020, 22:57   #150
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They donít come off part way through the final over of the day once the scheduled close time is reached if a wicket doesnít fall so why should they do so if one does?

Exactly.
Itís just common sense.
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Itís just common sense.
Finishing the over once itís started irrespective of if a wicket falls? Agreed.
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Old 22nd August 2020, 23:40   #152
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So you keep saying. He looks it to me.
Not the only one. Mark Butcher on the verdict seems skeptical and one or two of the Sky commentators hint at it but can't say it of course. Underestimating of age with Pakistan players has been known about for years.
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Old 23rd August 2020, 00:25   #153
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Does anyone know why Jos has been blocking the **** out of it all afternoon?
Probably because he took a lot of stick for not making enough runs when he got out cheaply when playing selflessly for the team earlier this summer.

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Isn't it three minutes for the change of batsman so would've taken play past half past, hence why they walked off?
You can appeal after two minutes for timed out.
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Old 23rd August 2020, 00:31   #154
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Pakistan in tatters.

England gone for the bat once strategy - 3 wickets vindicated it for now.
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Probably because he took a lot of stick for not making enough runs when he got out cheaply when playing selflessly for the team earlier this summer.



You can appeal after two minutes for timed out.
Do players have to appeal for timed out? Wouldnít the umpires note the time taken and give the dawdler out themselves?

As I recall Iíve never ever witnessed a player being timed out.
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Old 23rd August 2020, 00:40   #156
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Do players have to appeal for timed out? Wouldn’t the umpires note the time taken and give the dawdler out themselves?

As I recall I’ve never ever witnessed a player being timed out.
You have to appeal but usually it's considered unsporting to do so which is why it rarely happens. Most batsman get to the crease in good time anyway.
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Old 23rd August 2020, 07:13   #157
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Tendulkar never made a test 250, so it's pretty obvious that Crawley > Tendulkar.

Also, I took it for granted that he was the son of John. Absolutely no relation.
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Old 23rd August 2020, 08:54   #158
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Pakistan in tatters.

England gone for the bat once strategy - 3 wickets vindicated it for now.
Was there any other tactic than score big once Crawley and Buttler were cranking up their partnership into the hundreds....?

Not sure how else you expected them to go about it once a big score was on the cards, declare at 400-450 and lose the advantage of their position......?!?!?!?
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Old 23rd August 2020, 09:02   #159
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The wicket fell at 19:28. Surely they should only walk off if the wicket falls after the scheduled close (19:30 in this instance)?
They should be consistent, and I've no reason to believe they aren't.

Have England and all sorts been batting in the same situation, lost a wicket and if the last over also gone off as close of play? I guess it is like lunch and tea, would they complete and over if a wicket fell in the last over before lunch?

Not sure why people are making such a big deal, if England wanted to take 4+ wickets maybe they could have accelerated a bit more or simply declared earlier, I've long been an advocate of having enough time to do serious damage and this shows exactly what I mean, 3 wickets because they left enough time to bowl double figures worth of overs and if it had been around 15 overs they might have managed 4-5 and serious match changing potential (whether they took 0 wickets or 3-5, still has the potential)

Those few overs at the end of the day so common and indeed popular you might get 1-2, but no side facing 500-600 would really want to bat very long last thing, and I doubt this was planned by England just fell into place
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Tendulkar never made a test 250, so it's pretty obvious that Crawley > Tendulkar.

Also, I took it for granted that he was the son of John. Absolutely no relation.
Chris Latcham on 5live made that same mistake live on air.
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