Cricket 24/7  

Welcome to the Cricket 24/7.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. There are also more forums available to members, such as the Lounge - where members chat about just about anything under the sun except cricket!

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.


Go Back   Cricket 24/7 > Cricket Discussion Forums > The Kim Jones Domestic Cricket Forum
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar Casino Articles Terms of Use Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 24th September 2018, 00:32   #101
Fred
County Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 979
Quote:
Originally Posted by Notts Exile View Post
Yorkshire signed Köhler-Cadmore and Warwickshire Hose in that time too. I’m sure there must have been some other Kolpaks? Lancs signing Vilas?

Think this list just proves that most counties are doing it. Some like Notts and Warwickshire a little more than others.

It would be interesting to see the list of departures over the same timescale.

Looking at tomorrow’s games, can Notts get the 5 points they need or will we see capitulation along the lines of 2006 when Notts needed just 2 points to survive (playing Mushy’s Sussex) and gained none?!
not sure whether that's right in the period that 1000yardstare used.

Those signings were all made for either the 2018 or 2019 season.
Vilas, Chanderpaul, Kohler Cadmore, Hose were already playing for their "new" counties in 2017. Going back a further year opens it up to maybe 22 signings from other counties, and maybe half a dozen kolpak signs including Harmer, Wiese, Van Zyl as well as Vilas and Chanderpaul.

How much further do you want to go back?

Generally Derby, Northants, Leicester, Notts, Surrey, Hampshire, Warwickshire do it a lot (for different reasons), other counties do it, but less so (Durham, Gloucester).
Fred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th September 2018, 10:51   #102
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 156 Wagner 152 TCurran 27 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,227
How many years counties spent in the divisions
(including where the counties will be next season)
(CC wins in that time in brackets)

Division 1

16 - Lancs (1), Warks (2), Yorks (3)
15 - Somerset
14 - Surrey (3), Hants, Notts (2)
13 - Sussex (3)
12 - Durham (3)
11 - Middx (1), Kent
7 - Worcs
6 - Essex (1)
4 - Leics
3 - Northants
2 - Derbys, Glam, Gloucs

Division 2

18 - Gloucs, Derbys, Glam
17 - N'hants
16 - Leics
14 - Essex,
13 - Worcs
9 - Kent, Middx
8 - Durham
7 - Sussex
6 - Surrey, Notts, Hants
5 - Somerset
4 - Yorks, Warks, Lancs
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28th September 2018, 11:26   #103
Prince of Denmark
International Cricketer
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sydenham Hill
Team(s): Surrey CCC, Dulwich Hamlet FC, England
Age: 52
Posts: 2,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000yardstare View Post
How many years counties spent in the divisions
(including where the counties will be next season)
(CC wins in that time in brackets)

Division 1

16 - Lancs (1), Warks (2), Yorks (3)
15 - Somerset
14 - Surrey (3), Hants, Notts (2)
13 - Sussex (3)
12 - Durham (3)
11 - Middx (1), Kent
7 - Worcs
6 - Essex (1)
4 - Leics
3 - Northants
2 - Derbys, Glam, Gloucs

Division 2

18 - Gloucs, Derbys, Glam
17 - N'hants
16 - Leics
14 - Essex,
13 - Worcs
9 - Kent, Middx
8 - Durham
7 - Sussex
6 - Surrey, Notts, Hants
5 - Somerset
4 - Yorks, Warks, Lancs
The title of champions has been shared around quite a lot, much more so than for most of its existence. Surrey and Yorkshire won more than half of all championships between them up to 1968, but have won only eight out of 50 since then. Half of all counties have won it in the last 20 years, no one more than three times, and Sussex and Durham have won it for the first time during this era.
Prince of Denmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th October 2018, 12:07   #104
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 156 Wagner 152 TCurran 27 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,227
Can't believe Root has left Notts and gone to Glamorgan on a 2 year contract.

http://www.sportsanalyticsadvantage....county-cricket

Last edited by 1000yardstare : 9th October 2018 at 12:44.
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 9th October 2018, 12:57   #105
Summer of '77
Legendary
 
Summer of '77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: London-Essex
Team(s): Kent, Essex, Surrey Stars
Posts: 9,325
Quote:
Originally Posted by Prince of Denmark View Post
The title of champions has been shared around quite a lot, much more so than for most of its existence. Surrey and Yorkshire won more than half of all championships between them up to 1968, but have won only eight out of 50 since then. Half of all counties have won it in the last 20 years, no one more than three times, and Sussex and Durham have won it for the first time during this era.
And, yet, the Championship is supposedly not so competitive these days.
Summer of '77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2018, 16:24   #106
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 156 Wagner 152 TCurran 27 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,227
Decided then...
https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/894379/co...er+Cam paigns

But there are significant changes to the 50-over competition which will be played entirely in July and August, at the same the "New Competition" which could be known as The Hundred.

Groups for the 50-over tournament will not necessarily be split on geographic lines and overseas players will not be permitted to take part.

Last edited by 1000yardstare : 31st October 2018 at 16:39.
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2018, 17:55   #107
Fred
County Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 979
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000yardstare View Post
Decided then...
https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/894379/co...er+Cam paigns

But there are significant changes to the 50-over competition which will be played entirely in July and August, at the same the "New Competition" which could be known as The Hundred.

Groups for the 50-over tournament will not necessarily be split on geographic lines and overseas players will not be permitted to take part.
MINOR COUNTIES: From 2020, a new round of 50-over fixtures will be played before the domestic One-Day competition in mid-July, with each First-Class County visiting a Minor County.
Fred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2018, 18:51   #108
Hector
Established International
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Southampton
Team(s): Deportivo Finance, Hampshire, Berkshire
Age: 39
Posts: 3,052
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred View Post
MINOR COUNTIES: From 2020, a new round of 50-over fixtures will be played before the domestic One-Day competition in mid-July, with each First-Class County visiting a Minor County.
This has got me all of a bother. May need a lie down.

Fabulous news for the MC's.
__________________
www.yahooovercowcorner.wordpress.com


@YahoooverCC
Hector is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2018, 19:15   #109
slowest_bowler
Established International
 
slowest_bowler's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Leeds
Team(s): Notts, England
Posts: 3,724
Sounds good to me. I’m not much interested in limited over cricket, but I wouldn’t mind going to one of these.
__________________
"The essential ingredient of our success. The strength and support of 65 million people willing us to make it happen." Our PM ignoring the 48% as usual, despite having supposedly been one of them.
slowest_bowler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2018, 20:00   #110
Summer of '77
Legendary
 
Summer of '77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: London-Essex
Team(s): Kent, Essex, Surrey Stars
Posts: 9,325
More than ever, I'm wondering what is the point of the 50 over competition? The argument used to be that it was essential to train English cricketers to the level where they can realistically challenge for, and win, the World Cup. But now it's being played alongside the (Emperor's) New Competition, with no overseas players permitted, that argument seems completely redundant.

I still like to watch it, though, along with the small band of old codgers who would otherwise be following Championship cricket. Nice of the ECB to lay on a white ball competition just for us.
Summer of '77 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2018, 21:55   #111
Fred
County Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 979
Quote:
Originally Posted by Hector View Post
This has got me all of a bother. May need a lie down.

Fabulous news for the MC's.
and me, I hope Lancashire come up to play Cumberland CCC
Fred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2018, 21:58   #112
Fred
County Pro
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 979
Quote:
Originally Posted by Summer of '77 View Post
More than ever, I'm wondering what is the point of the 50 over competition? The argument used to be that it was essential to train English cricketers to the level where they can realistically challenge for, and win, the World Cup. But now it's being played alongside the (Emperor's) New Competition, with no overseas players permitted, that argument seems completely redundant.

I still like to watch it, though, along with the small band of old codgers who would otherwise be following Championship cricket. Nice of the ECB to lay on a white ball competition just for us.
Thought a long time ago, when this timing of the List A matches was first mooted that it would quickly resemble second team cricket for some counties.

Afterall, practically everyone from the Surrey first XI, as an example, will either be playing tests for England or the (Emperor's) New Competition to use your words.
Fred is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2018, 22:53   #113
geoff_boycotts_grandmother
Administrator
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 28,432
Quote:
Originally Posted by Fred View Post
Thought a long time ago, when this timing of the List A matches was first mooted that it would quickly resemble second team cricket for some counties.

Afterall, practically everyone from the Surrey first XI, as an example, will either be playing tests for England or the (Emperor's) New Competition to use your words.
Sounds like it will create lots of opportunities for English qualified players.

I don't think it is a bad thing if there is a limited overs competition that's a step up from 2nd XI cricket but below the Blast.

It creates a natural progression for players in limited overs cricket: 2nd XI ltd overs to One Day Cup to Blast to Hundred. I think it also provides a boost for University cricket - it will be a viable path to go to Uni and get a summer contract to play the One Day Cup when teams will need to replace their stars who get called up to the Hundred.

My issue with this - and I'm sure the welcomed Minor Counties news is to distract from this - is the unbalanced competition in both the Championship and Blast (it fundamentally undermines the credibility of both leagues when teams don't not play each team an equal number of times) and the sidelining of division 2 by making it just 8 teams.
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Michelle Fivefer
It was a poor innings by Bell with the bat.
geoff_boycotts_grandmother is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2018, 23:28   #114
Ali TT
Posting God
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 19,827
There are 20 Minor Counties. How do they decide who misses out!?
__________________
WARNING
Reading the above post may cause bouts of nausea.
Ali TT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st October 2018, 23:59   #115
Hector
Established International
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Southampton
Team(s): Deportivo Finance, Hampshire, Berkshire
Age: 39
Posts: 3,052
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ali TT View Post
There are 20 Minor Counties. How do they decide who misses out!?
2 first class counties will play 2 matches / minor counties apparently.
__________________
www.yahooovercowcorner.wordpress.com


@YahoooverCC
Hector is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 1st November 2018, 13:00   #116
paulsre
World Class
 
paulsre's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: In a class 101 Met Cam time machine to the past
Team(s): Stockholm Taverners CC, Farsta BCCE, County cricket, MCCU cricket, England, Scarborough CC
Posts: 6,191
Quote:
Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother View Post
Sounds like it will create lots of opportunities for English qualified players.

I don't think it is a bad thing if there is a limited overs competition that's a step up from 2nd XI cricket but below the Blast.

It creates a natural progression for players in limited overs cricket: 2nd XI ltd overs to One Day Cup to Blast to Hundred. I think it also provides a boost for University cricket - it will be a viable path to go to Uni and get a summer contract to play the One Day Cup when teams will need to replace their stars who get called up to the Hundred.
That's all true.

It's worth noting that the PCA - i.e. the players - have said before that they very much want a 50 over competition retained.
paulsre is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th December 2018, 00:32   #117
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 156 Wagner 152 TCurran 27 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,227
https://www.thecricketer.com/Topics/...in_ 2019.html

https://debsknigsport.com/2018/12/06...n-open-letter/

Last edited by 1000yardstare : 7th December 2018 at 00:33.
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th December 2018, 00:52   #118
Prince of Denmark
International Cricketer
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: Sydenham Hill
Team(s): Surrey CCC, Dulwich Hamlet FC, England
Age: 52
Posts: 2,114
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000yardstare View Post
If this isn't a conspiracy to make the franchise rubbish look more of a necessity then it's just sheer incompetence. So some of the countless Monday starts may be brought forward to the Sunday by mutual agreement. Why weren't they scheduled for Sundays in the first place?
Prince of Denmark is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:20.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
© Cricket247.org