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Old 3rd October 2018, 07:51   #2521
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3. The ideologues and fanatics of Brexit are Leave. The ideologues and fanatics when it comes to the Hundred are the county cricket traditionalists. It's a matter of retaining identity for both Brexit and County Cricket traditionalists. Remain and Hundred supporters are not troubled by having multiple identities.
And this is exactly where the similarity lies between the two, with each side labelling the other and refusing to accept that there's a huge grey area. I'd regard myself as a county cricket traditionalist in so far as I fiercely support and protect the most traditional format of the game, which remains my favourite. However, I also support the newer white ball formats probably more prolifically than any other member of this forum. I'm not averse to a new non-county tournament but I am sceptical of the reasons for it, its likely success and the abilities of those charged with making it happen. Maybe, as with the whole Brexit debate, I'm not being given enough credible information?
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Old 3rd October 2018, 16:36   #2522
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And this is exactly where the similarity lies between the two, with each side labelling the other and refusing to accept that there's a huge grey area. I'd regard myself as a county cricket traditionalist in so far as I fiercely support and protect the most traditional format of the game, which remains my favourite. However, I also support the newer white ball formats probably more prolifically than any other member of this forum. I'm not averse to a new non-county tournament but I am sceptical of the reasons for it, its likely success and the abilities of those charged with making it happen. Maybe, as with the whole Brexit debate, I'm not being given enough credible information?
That's pretty much my position, although I see the reasons for it (the current format doesn't seem to excite TV execs, nor the Asian diaspora who largely ignore county cricket) but I'm troubled by the secrecy around it and don't trust those organising it.

I don't see that there is currently sufficient information to make a decision one way or the other.
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Old 3rd October 2018, 17:58   #2523
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That's pretty much my position, although I see the reasons for it (the current format doesn't seem to excite TV execs, nor the Asian diaspora who largely ignore county cricket) but I'm troubled by the secrecy around it and don't trust those organising it.

I don't see that there is currently sufficient information to make a decision one way or the other.
I think this is probably what's troubling a lot of county cricket fans. I reckon many aren't unlike myself - they prefer the f-c game but recognise the need for other income-rich formats in order for their first love to survive. And, they'll want the game they love to grow. Ultimately, having been a bit sneery towards the new format, they'll end up going along to watch it. But, whereas previous innovative tournaments have been carefully worked upon, fine-tuned and then delivered to the English public, this current venture smacks of being made up on the hoof.
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Old 6th October 2018, 13:30   #2524
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I don't always (often?) agree with Simon Heffer, but he makes some good points here:


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Worse, it fails to address long-term problems. “The younger generation are not attracted to cricket”, Mr Graves said earlier this year. Can he be remotely surprised? The ECB’s decision to take live Test cricket off terrestrial television has closed off the game’s appeal to millions. MCC and county clubs do much to encourage school and club cricket, but the ECB seems to lack such evangelism as one of its priorities. Mr Graves believes the 100-ball format will attract people to cricket in a way T20 has not: apparently young people’s attention spans cannot handle those extra 20 balls.

In an age when promotion, especially via social media, seems at the root of every commercial or popular success, the ECB have failed abominably to promote first-class cricket. So its means of getting young people interested is to get them drawn in to something that isn’t really cricket at all. Has it thought of asking county clubs to admit schoolchildren and students free of charge to first-class matches on certain days, to encourage them to watch a proper game? Or of dramatically cutting the cost of Test-match tickets for those in full-time education? And where are its plans to get anyone attending a 100-ball match – if they ever happen - to cross the divide to something that is recognisably cricket?

There was crowing after the series against India about what a fine display of Test cricket it had been. However, the England team looks threadbare in its batting and slow bowling, and the ECB is determined to do nothing that might change that. The Championship will remain at a mere 14 four-day matches a season, most of which end in about three, and little is done to promote them: jewels such as the game between Surrey and Essex at the Oval last week, when the home side, bowled out for 67 on the first day, almost won on the fourth, remain largely unappreciated and no capital is made of them. That’s a real challenge for Mr Strauss’ successor – making a County Championship that works for Test cricket by breeding new players, and can be sold to the public.

Perhaps even Mr Graves will, before he goes, work out that you cannot run cricket like a cheap and cheerful supermarket. Real cricket lovers prefer the equivalent of Waitrose to Costcutter; and new customers are there for the taking. Cricket in England and Wales should be run by people to whom the integrity of the game is more important than the bottom line, significant though that be. And if the ECB really wants to concentrate on running formats that seem barely connected with cricket, then maybe it should hand administration of the traditional game over to people less obdurate, and less obtuse.
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Swap game for government/economy and you'd not get the same statement from Heffer!

He is right that four day cricket should be there to produce good players for the England side, but mistaken to think it will be a means of attracting kids to cricket. I think the strength of a national cricket side is independent of how well attended its domestic first class matches are.
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Old 7th October 2018, 12:52   #2526
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Apparently pompous, sozzled hacks don't have the attention spans to realise both sides bat.
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Another highly critical article on the ECB's folly:


https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-a8573501.html
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They should swallow their pride and scrap this pointless competition but would of course mean they had to admit they were wrong.

When had anyone high up ever done that?
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They should swallow their pride and scrap this pointless competition but would of course mean they had to admit they were wrong.

When had anyone high up ever done that?
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Another highly critical article on the ECB's folly:


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They should swallow their pride and scrap this pointless competition but would of course mean they had to admit they were wrong.
Definitely. This has gone too far now. How have the ECB managed to lose 90% of their cash reserves? What exactly has it been spent on? Graves & Harrison need to go now, before they do anymore damage, and hopefully some competent people can pick up the pieces and renegotiate the broadcasting deal to get some county cricket and England matches on free-to-air television instead. Assuming Graves & Harrison haven't already taken and spent a big wedge in advance from the television companies.

Graves comes across as the typical brash self-made man who thinks the skills that made him his personal fortune can effortlessly be transferred into a sporting environment with similar success. I don't think he has a clue what he's doing. I've been wary of him ever since he sent the England squad on a Test tour to the West Indies with the gormless message that anything other than a resounding series victory would be a failure. The man seems to be a dangerous buffoon.
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... How have the ECB managed to lose 90% of their cash reserves? ...
Cash reserves are very much out of fashion. The new way is to spend them on elaborate nonsense labelled as "investment", and then borrow a massive amount more money for the same. Everyone's doing it -- students, home"owners", governments, etc. When everyone else is morally compromised because their debts dictate all their decisions, who in their right mind would behave otherwise? Look at me -- I'm still saving up to buy a house, everyone thinks I'm a moron, and the only people I have anything in common with are you saddos.
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I’m interested to know where the 41m is going to be spent.
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Cash reserves are very much out of fashion. The new way is to spend them on elaborate nonsense labelled as "investment", and then borrow a massive amount more money for the same. Everyone's doing it -- students, home"owners", governments, etc. When everyone else is morally compromised because their debts dictate all their decisions, who in their right mind would behave otherwise? Look at me -- I'm still saving up to buy a house, everyone thinks I'm a moron, and the only people I have anything in common with are you saddos.
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Cash reserves are very much out of fashion. The new way is to spend them on elaborate nonsense labelled as "investment", and then borrow a massive amount more money for the same. Everyone's doing it -- students, home"owners", governments, etc. When everyone else is morally compromised because their debts dictate all their decisions, who in their right mind would behave otherwise? Look at me -- I'm still saving up to buy a house, everyone thinks I'm a moron, and the only people I have anything in common with are you saddos.
Yes, I didn't think that through properly. The reserves will still be there but tied up in less accessible places.

Cost of housing is the biggest single crisis in this country. There will be people my age who bought cheaply 25 years ago, will have paid off their mortgage, possibly inherited a second property from their parents, and they'll be minted without having had to work any harder for it than those who now have to pay through the nose to rent privately.
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