County Cricket 2018 - General

1000yardstare · 8th March 2018, 14:00

Overseas Players

Derbys - Olivier SA
Durham - Markham SA/Latham NZ/A Patel Ind
Essex - Siddle Aus/Wagner NZ
Glam - SMarsh Aus
Gloucs - Worrall Aus
Hants - Amla SA/Steyn SA
Kent - Henry NZ/Milne NZ
Lancs - Mennie Aus
Leics - Abbas Pak/Aaron Ind
Middx - Hylton Cartwright SA
N'hants - Bracewell NZ/Kleinveldt SA
Notts - Taylor NZ
Som -
Surrey - MMarsh Aus/Elgar SA
Sussex - Sharma Ind
Warks - Patel NZ
Worcs - Head Aus
Yorks - Pujara Ind/Williamson NZ

NZ - 8
SA - 7
Aus - 6
Ind - 4
Pak - 2

Can someone do the Kolpaks at each county?

Fred · 8th March 2018, 14:45

(T20 only) Overseas Players

Derbys
Durham -
Essex - Zampa Aus
Glam
Gloucs - Tye Aus
Hants -
Kent -
Lancs - Faulkner Aus
Leics - Mohammad Nabi -Afg
Middx -
N'hants - Prasanna -SL
Notts - Sodhi NZ & Christian - Aus
Som - Anderson - NZ
Surrey - Finch Aus
Sussex - Rashid Khan - Afg
Warks - de Grandhomme NZ
Worcs -
Yorks - Stanlake - Aus

Aus - 5
NZ - 3
Afg - 2
SL - 1

Fred · 8th March 2018, 14:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

Can someone do the Kolpaks at each county?

Derby - Rampaul WI & Viljoen SA
Durham
Essex - Harmer SA
Glamorgan - Ingram SA
Gloustershire
Hampshire - Abbott, Rossouw SA Edwards WI
Kent - Kuhn SA
Lancs - Chanderpaul WI & Vilas SA
Leicestershire
Middlesex
Northants - Levi SA
Nottinghamshire
Somerset
Surrey
Sussex - Van Zyl & Weise SA
Warwicks - Elliot NZ
Worcestershire
Yorkshire

Levi may be qualified by now. Think everyone else is qualified somehow through the EU, dual national, parentage or residency. Not sure about Ingram at Glamorgan (think he has resigned for two more years but not for championship cricket). Think Ervine was originally a kolpak probably qualified by now.

1000yardstare · 21st March 2018, 13:22

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/648892/ec...tions-for-2018

One other change which has been brought to the attention of players before the season concerns “mock fielding” – a deliberate attempt by a fielder to deceive the batsman. That is now covered by Law 41, Unfair Play – and will also be punished with a five-run penalty.

I am not keen on this one. If bowlers can attempt to deceive the batsmen why can't fielders.

D/L · 22nd March 2018, 14:05

Good point, well made. Also, enforcement will require the umpire to guess what a fielder was thinking and will inevitably result in many incorrect decisions.

sharky · 22nd March 2018, 19:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/648892/ec...tions-for-2018

One other change which has been brought to the attention of players before the season concerns “mock fielding” – a deliberate attempt by a fielder to deceive the batsman. That is now covered by Law 41, Unfair Play – and will also be punished with a five-run penalty.

I am not keen on this one. If bowlers can attempt to deceive the batsmen why can't fielders.

I've never really liked it when they fake dive for the ball to stop the batsman running, I'm glad they are changing the rule. I don't see it as the same as a bowler bowling the ball.

Runningfox · 22nd March 2018, 21:47

Suspect 'mock fielding' will be very difficult to adjudicate. Just think of the multiple replays TV pundits get for football 'diving' incidents - often without finally reaching a consensus. In most cases County umpires will get a 'one off' opportunity to view such events - tricky, to say the least.

Fred · 23rd March 2018, 12:21

Is this really a serious problem within cricket? Nothing better to do?

Comte Nom de Plume · 23rd March 2018, 12:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred

Is this really a serious problem within cricket? Nothing better to do?

No. Yes.

Cricket is already riddled with too many laws and regulations. This is just bollox.

Prince of Denmark · 23rd March 2018, 14:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

Can someone do the Kolpaks at each county?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred

Derby - Rampaul WI & Viljoen SA
Durham
Essex - Harmer SA
Glamorgan - Ingram SA
Gloustershire
Hampshire - Abbott, Rossouw SA Edwards WI
Kent - Kuhn SA
Lancs - Chanderpaul WI & Vilas SA
Leicestershire
Middlesex
Northants - Levi SA
Nottinghamshire
Somerset
Surrey
Sussex - Van Zyl & Weise SA
Warwicks - Elliot NZ
Worcestershire
Yorkshire

Levi may be qualified by now. Think everyone else is qualified somehow through the EU, dual national, parentage or residency. Not sure about Ingram at Glamorgan (think he has resigned for two more years but not for championship cricket). Think Ervine was originally a kolpak probably qualified by now.

I get a bit confused with the various designations, but Matt Pillans and Conor McKerr and both two years into a seven year qualifying period at Surrey, so will not be eligible for England for another five years. I think they're probably dual passport holders with a British parent(s).

I was under the impression that Brad Wheal at Hants was in a similar position, but now he's popped up playing for Scotland in their recent World Cup qualifiers.

Fred · 23rd March 2018, 20:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Prince of Denmark

I get a bit confused with the various designations, but Matt Pillans and Conor McKerr and both two years into a seven year qualifying period at Surrey, so will not be eligible for England for another five years. I think they're probably dual passport holders with a British parent(s).

I was under the impression that Brad Wheal at Hants was in a similar position, but now he's popped up playing for Scotland in their recent World Cup qualifiers.

I have Pillans, McKerr and Wheal down as 'English' qualified which normnally means through ancestry or as a passport holder. Of course, that is in terms of county cricket not international cricket for England where the ECB has tightened the rules.

A quick google search found this on cricinfo:

McKerr has a British passport but the ECB's tightening of qualification rules means that, because he will arrive in the UK after his 18th birthday, he must serve a longer qualification period. However, he will only be 25 by the time he is eligible.

Pillans, who has secured an ancestral visa giving him the right to work in the UK, will be 31 but an an insider told ESPNcricinfo, "Mathew believes he has a better chance of playing for England in seven years' time than he does of playing for South Africa. He is not even in a franchise team here."

Similarly with Brad Wheal from the Daily Echo:

The South African British passport holder intends to qualify for England during the next seven years after being brought over from Durban by Dale Benkenstein, who spotted Wheal playing for Natal Under-19s in December.

I guess Cricket Scotland don't have the same self imposed restrictions as the ECB. He has a Scottish mother.

1000yardstare · 29th March 2018, 03:18

Hain makes the 1st century of the season and Bess the second.
138* (276)
101* (102)

Summer of '77 · 29th March 2018, 08:43

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1000yardstare

Hain makes the 1st century of the season and Bess the second.
138* (276)
101* (102)

No, they've made two of the final centuries of the overseas season.

paulsre · 29th March 2018, 10:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by Summer of '77

No, they've made two of the final centuries of the overseas season.

Or just in a match played overseas.

And what about Gleeson's hat-trick? Surely he's now seriously in contention for the Test side?

1000yardstare · 10th April 2018, 14:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fred

Derby - Rampaul WI & Viljoen SA
Durham
Essex - Harmer SA
Glamorgan - Ingram SA
Gloustershire
Hampshire - Abbott, Rossouw SA Edwards WI
Kent - Kuhn SA
Lancs - Chanderpaul WI & Vilas SA
Leicestershire
Middlesex
Northants - Levi SA
Nottinghamshire
Somerset
Surrey
Sussex - Van Zyl & Weise SA
Warwicks - Elliot NZ
Worcestershire
Yorkshire

Levi may be qualified by now. Think everyone else is qualified somehow through the EU, dual national, parentage or residency. Not sure about Ingram at Glamorgan (think he has resigned for two more years but not for championship cricket). Think Ervine was originally a kolpak probably qualified by now.

Morkel to Surrey.

Aidan11 · 11th April 2018, 19:21

Nathan Rimmington

Bestie · 13th April 2018, 12:32

And the first wicket of the season goes to... Joe Leach. Early sighter for Vince.

Jock McTuffnel v3 · 13th April 2018, 13:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bestie

And the first wicket of the season goes to... Joe Leach. Early sighter for Vince.

He's making the most of it so far

Bestie · 13th April 2018, 13:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3

He's making the most of it so far

Yep, breezing along at the moment with plenty of delightful cover drives. Tongue taking plenty of flak.

Looking at the videos there are a couple that have gone through slip but played deliberately into the ground with soft hands. Where was that kind of sure-footedness outside off stump over the winter?

Fred · 13th April 2018, 13:57

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aidan11

Nathan Rimmington

has a british passport.

8th March 2018, 14:00	#1
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8th March 2018, 14:45	#2
Fred County Pro Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 969	(T20 only) Overseas Players Derbys Durham - Essex - Zampa Aus Glam Gloucs - Tye Aus Hants - Kent - Lancs - Faulkner Aus Leics - Mohammad Nabi -Afg Middx - N'hants - Prasanna -SL Notts - Sodhi NZ & Christian - Aus Som - Anderson - NZ Surrey - Finch Aus Sussex - Rashid Khan - Afg Warks - de Grandhomme NZ Worcs - Yorks - Stanlake - Aus Aus - 5 NZ - 3 Afg - 2 SL - 1

21st March 2018, 13:22	#4
1000yardstare Posting Goddess JA 852 Cummins 156 Wagner 152 TCurran 27 SCurran 16 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London Posts: 21,222	https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/648892/ec...tions-for-2018 One other change which has been brought to the attention of players before the season concerns “mock fielding” – a deliberate attempt by a fielder to deceive the batsman. That is now covered by Law 41, Unfair Play – and will also be punished with a five-run penalty. I am not keen on this one. If bowlers can attempt to deceive the batsmen why can't fielders.

22nd March 2018, 14:05	#5
D/L Legendary Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Leeds Team(s): Yorkshire CCC & England, Wakefield Trinity RLFC, Leeds Carnegie RUFC Posts: 9,305	Good point, well made. Also, enforcement will require the umpire to guess what a fielder was thinking and will inevitably result in many incorrect decisions.

22nd March 2018, 21:47	#7
Runningfox Club Cricketer Join Date: Jul 2015 Team(s): Leicestershire , England Posts: 115	Suspect 'mock fielding' will be very difficult to adjudicate. Just think of the multiple replays TV pundits get for football 'diving' incidents - often without finally reaching a consensus. In most cases County umpires will get a 'one off' opportunity to view such events - tricky, to say the least.

23rd March 2018, 12:21	#8
Fred County Pro Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 969	Is this really a serious problem within cricket? Nothing better to do?

29th March 2018, 03:18	#12
1000yardstare Posting Goddess JA 852 Cummins 156 Wagner 152 TCurran 27 SCurran 16 Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London Posts: 21,222	Hain makes the 1st century of the season and Bess the second. 138* (276) 101* (102)

11th April 2018, 19:21	#16
Aidan11 Harmisonesque Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Somewhere cold and wet Posts: 40,270	Nathan Rimmington

13th April 2018, 12:32	#17
Bestie International Material Join Date: May 2016 Location: Exeter Posts: 1,478	And the first wicket of the season goes to... Joe Leach. Early sighter for Vince.