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Old 25th June 2018, 13:30   #41
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Once again the geniuses at the ECB schedule D/N Championship games at the time of year when we get the most light.
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Old 25th June 2018, 13:44   #42
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Once again the geniuses at the ECB schedule D/N Championship games at the time of year when we get the most light.
At least it will be warm enough to sit outside. Isn't the point about timing rather than whether it is dark or not?
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Old 25th June 2018, 13:44   #43
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At least it will be warm enough to sit outside.
I think that's the point
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Old 27th June 2018, 09:13   #44
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I think that's the point
Actually yesterday evening after 8pm at Canterbury, even though the sun was shining, the wind meant one needed a warm jacket if sitting in the shade....And the Met Office forecast suggests it will be 5 or more degrees C colder this evening!
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'Nottinghamshire are closing in on the signing of Derbyshire's Ben Slater'.

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...ghamshire-move
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Interesting. Notts haven't taken any Derbyshire players for a while now. Can't think of the last one.
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Old 16th August 2018, 14:52   #49
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wouldn't surprise me, he has always played well against Surrey.

Only century at the Oval
Plus 3 of his first four championship half centuries against Surrey.
Until this season he only had 1 championship century and 3 championship 50s. All bar one against Surrey.

Would be surprised if Lancs offered him the security of a three year deal. Only Livingstone and Jennings have contracts through to 2021. Mahmood & Davies to 2020. Rest of squad to 2019 or out of contract this year.

He missed the latest T20 game with a hamstring injury, wonder whether he will play in the next championship match .... at the Oval.

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Was looking to see if someone had reached 1000 runs yet. By May someone usually has but it's now August. No one.

I came across P Moores who has hit 14 sixes!!!

Generally it's one or two.
Renshaw 9, Whiteley 7, Taylor 6 and Vilas 5.
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Old 16th August 2018, 16:13   #51
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Was looking to see if someone had reached 1000 runs yet. By May someone usually has but it's now August. No one.
Good chance Burns will pass 1000 in this weekend's match.
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Old 16th August 2018, 18:40   #52
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Was looking to see if someone had reached 1000 runs yet. By May someone usually has but it's now August. No one.
Nobody ever has!

Eight have done so by the end of May, The Don doing so twice.
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Old 17th August 2018, 09:07   #53
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So it's confirmed.

Wonder why any bowler would join a county with these resources available:

Morkel
T Curran (England contract ODI squad)
S Curran (England contract Test squad)
Plunkett (England contract ODI squad)
Clarke
Patel
Dernbach
McKerr
Meaker
Dunn
Atkinson

Lancs should have insisted for a "swap" similar to Pillans and Plunkett. Ryan Patel would have done. But we would probably have chosen Dernbach on the basis of his over prior to the final day's tea in 2007.

Have I missed anyone?
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have to feel for Northants. Every time they develop a good player he leaves.
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Old 17th August 2018, 11:42   #55
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have to feel for Northants. Every time they develop a good player he leaves.
wonder whether Lancashire might make a move for Gleeson. Although he was never selected for any of their age group sides when he was young. He could join Onions, Parkinson etc at the tail end of the batting order.
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Surrey picking up more players from elsewhere? Well, we’ll. maybe South London and the county of Surrey just arent big enough. Obviously the salary caps in London are too high also.
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So it's confirmed.

Wonder why any bowler would join a county with these resources available:

Morkel
T Curran (England contract ODI squad)
S Curran (England contract Test squad)
Plunkett (England contract ODI squad)
Clarke
Patel
Dernbach
McKerr
Meaker
Dunn
Atkinson

Lancs should have insisted for a "swap" similar to Pillans and Plunkett. Ryan Patel would have done. But we would probably have chosen Dernbach on the basis of his over prior to the final day's tea in 2007.
I'm not sure you can insist on a swap if he's out of contract. Pillans is in the final year of an initial 3 year contract and it sounds like he would have left regardless of the Plunkett deal with Northamptonshire the likely destination before Yorkshire stepped in.

Those bowlers aren't all interchangeable. Patel is a top five batsman who can fill in as fourth seamer if needed. At least two of the Curran brothers and Plunkett could easily be missing simultaneously and of the rest only Clarke is good enough to bat higher than 9. Those are the five he'll effectively be competing with for two, maybe three places.

Meaker and Dunn are both of similar age to Clark and ought to be in their prime, but both have been treading water for 2 or 3 years now and are well down the pecking order right now.

Clarke will be 40 by the end of the 3 years for which Clark is now contracted, while Morkel, Dernbach and Plunkett will all be 35-37 by then.

He does look a slightly superfluous signing right now, but there's also an opportunity to establish himself in a team that looks to be a rising force right now. Then, from Surrey's point of view, the way the game is evolving there's an increasing risk of losing key players at short notice so having an extra man who can cover several colleagues without upsetting the balance of the team could prove very useful. When Surrey won three championships in four years plus several limited overs trophies around the turn of the century the likes of Nadeem Shahid, Jason Ratcliffe and Gary Butcher often made telling contributions.
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I reckon Surrey have signed Clark simply to stop him scoring runs against them.
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So it's confirmed.

Wonder why any bowler would join a county with these resources available:

Morkel
T Curran (England contract ODI squad)
S Curran (England contract Test squad)
Plunkett (England contract ODI squad)
Clarke
Patel
Dernbach
McKerr
Meaker
Dunn
Atkinson

Lancs should have insisted for a "swap" similar to Pillans and Plunkett. Ryan Patel would have done. But we would probably have chosen Dernbach on the basis of his over prior to the final day's tea in 2007.

Have I missed anyone?
Maybe they see him as more of a batsman?

Anyway, I think most professional cricketers would back themselves. He'll get plenty of opportunities with three of the players centrally contracted, Morkel an injury risk and he's then up against 38 year old Rikki Clarke, perennial laughing stock Jade Dernbach, someone in Meaker whose career is going backwards faster than he bowls and some kids I'm struggling to remember their names.

It'll be interested if they sold him on first class or limited overs cricket.
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Maybe they see him as more of a batsman?

Anyway, I think most professional cricketers would back themselves.

It'll be interested if they sold him on first class or limited overs cricket.
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I'm not sure you can insist on a swap if he's out of contract. Pillans is in the final year of an initial 3 year contract and it sounds like he would have left regardless of the Plunkett deal with Northamptonshire the likely destination before Yorkshire stepped in.

Those bowlers aren't all interchangeable. Patel is a top five batsman who can fill in as fourth seamer if needed. At least two of the Curran brothers and Plunkett could easily be missing simultaneously and of the rest only Clarke is good enough to bat higher than 9. Those are the five he'll effectively be competing with for two, maybe three places.

Meaker and Dunn are both of similar age to Clark and ought to be in their prime, but both have been treading water for 2 or 3 years now and are well down the pecking order right now.

He does look a slightly superfluous signing right now, but there's also an opportunity to establish himself in a team that looks to be a rising force right now. Then, from Surrey's point of view, the way the game is evolving there's an increasing risk of losing key players at short notice so having an extra man who can cover several colleagues without upsetting the balance of the team could prove very useful.
Thanks, I agree. It is also interesting to note that Jordan Clark began his Lancs career (well before his first class debut) largely in the way that you describe Ryan Patel. I always thought of him as a batsman, who could bowl a bit. That was his role in the seconds. But in the end it was his bowling that secured his first team place (as fourth seamer), he always seemed to bat too low. Maybe that change of emphasis helped. At school he was a 'keeper. But have to wonder what would have happened had Lancs upped their offer to a 3 year contract.

Surrey are lucky if they can sign players on the basis of your last point.

One thing is Surrey's favour, is that their record on bringing on players such as Patel, Pope, the Currans, Jacks etc. (practically everyone except Harinath). Down to Stewart or Di Venuto? Plus Sangakkara must have helped in the past.
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