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Old 17th August 2018, 19:00   #61
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One thing is Surrey's favour, is that their record on bringing on players such as Patel, Pope, the Currans, Jacks etc. (practically everyone except Harinath). Down to Stewart or Di Venuto? Plus Sangakkara must have helped in the past.
The opportunity to spend a few years in That London might also be a draw for some young men.
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Old 17th August 2018, 20:07   #62
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Totally agree.

Thanks, I agree. It is also interesting to note that Jordan Clark began his Lancs career (well before his first class debut) largely in the way that you describe Ryan Patel. I always thought of him as a batsman, who could bowl a bit. That was his role in the seconds. But in the end it was his bowling that secured his first team place (as fourth seamer), he always seemed to bat too low. Maybe that change of emphasis helped. At school he was a 'keeper. But have to wonder what would have happened had Lancs upped their offer to a 3 year contract.

Surrey are lucky if they can sign players on the basis of your last point.

One thing is Surrey's favour, is that their record on bringing on players such as Patel, Pope, the Currans, Jacks etc. (practically everyone except Harinath). Down to Stewart or Di Venuto? Plus Sangakkara must have helped in the past.
I think Surrey have had a fair few misses (as in players who didn't develop as hoped) as well - for example all those bowlers you mentioned earlier!

What they have done well is not be afraid to give opportunities to youngsters, particularly when they could have got out the big chequebook to fill the gaps. When Sanga went they let Pope replace him. Compare that to how say Notts replaced Lumb with Nash.
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Old 17th August 2018, 21:53   #63
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I think Surrey have had a fair few misses (as in players who didn't develop as hoped) as well - for example all those bowlers you mentioned earlier!

What they have done well is not be afraid to give opportunities to youngsters, particularly when they could have got out the big chequebook to fill the gaps. When Sanga went they let Pope replace him. Compare that to how say Notts replaced Lumb with Nash.
Who's the bowling coach? Clearly not Stewart, di Venuto or Sangakkara.
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Old 17th August 2018, 22:03   #64
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Who's the bowling coach? Clearly not Stewart, di Venuto or Sangakkara.
Ha, good point. I think Sidebottom joined as bowling coach earlier this year, but it's probably too early to tell what success he had. Was it Geoff Arnold before him?
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Who's the bowling coach? Clearly not Stewart, di Venuto or Sangakkara.
I believe there's been the return of a man called 'Horse' - Geoff Arnold
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wonder whether Lancashire might make a move for Gleeson. Although he was never selected for any of their age group sides when he was young. He could join Onions, Parkinson etc at the tail end of the batting order.
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so there is a potential tail of:

7. Bailey
8. Onions
9. Parkinson
10. Gleeson
11. Mahmood

behind six batsmen (with Davies or Vilas keeping) if they go for runs from an overseas bat.
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so there is a potential tail of:

7. Bailey
8. Onions
9. Parkinson
10. Gleeson
11. Mahmood

behind six batsmen (with Davies or Vilas keeping) if they go for runs from an overseas bat.
Mahmood may as well leave now.
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Not sure it's been mentioned, but Warwickshire signing both Norwell and Miles from Gloucestershire for next year. Will make for an impressive attack.
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Not sure it's been mentioned, but Warwickshire signing both Norwell and Miles from Gloucestershire for next year. Will make for an impressive attack.


Good signings but devastating for Gloucs.

Ashley Giles is doing a good job revitalising what was a badly ageing team
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Good signings but devastating for Gloucs.

Ashley Giles is doing a good job revitalising what was a badly ageing team
Ashley Giles is doing a good job recruiting a team from other counties.

Stone, Hose, Sibley, Rhodes, Norwell, Miles at least.

More than Surrey and Notts over the same period.
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Ashley Giles is doing a good job recruiting a team from other counties.
I see his official role at Warks is 'sports director' rather than 'coach'. This would appear to be appropriate terminology, as it appears more players are being signed than are being nurtured from within.
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I see his official role at Warks is 'sports director' rather than 'coach'. This would appear to be appropriate terminology, as it appears more players are being signed than are being nurtured from within.
They seem to have fallen into the same trap as Surrey did a decade earlier. The side that won the Championship in 2012 grew old together and they failed to fix the roof while the sun was shining. Apart from Sam Hain I can't recall anyone from within really establishing a place in the Championship side since then.
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Ashley Giles is doing a good job recruiting a team from other counties.

Stone, Hose, Sibley, Rhodes, Norwell, Miles at least.

More than Surrey and Notts over the same period.
But rarely mentioned .............

Why can't a team from a massive city such as Birmingham, with an excellent local League find it's own players? Or maybe it's irrelevant, it's just the way it is.
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Why can't a team from a massive city such as Birmingham, with an excellent local League find it's own players? Or maybe it's irrelevant, it's just the way it is.
There could be all sorts of factors at play here. Worcestershire's catchment area must overlap Warwickshire's to a large extent and they seem to be rolling out a sequence of promising players from within.

Coaching, contacts, infrastructure may play a part in attracting and developing the best young talent. To some extent it's probably cyclical, you may get half a dozen players emerging within a couple of years who make the grade as county professionals as has happened with Surrey right now, then you may get a couple of years where everyone falls by the wayside after turning 18.
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Why can't a team from a massive city such as Birmingham, with an excellent local League find it's own players? Or maybe it's irrelevant, it's just the way it is.
There could be all sorts of factors at play here. Worcestershire's catchment area must overlap Warwickshire's to a large extent and they seem to be rolling out a sequence of promising players from within.

Coaching, contacts, infrastructure, perceived likelihood of first team opportunities may play a part in attracting and developing the best young talent. To some extent it's probably cyclical, you may get half a dozen players emerging within a couple of years who make the grade as county professionals as has happened with Surrey right now, then you may get a couple of years where everyone falls by the wayside after turning 18.
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There could be all sorts of factors at play here. Worcestershire's catchment area must overlap Warwickshire's to a large extent and they seem to be rolling out a sequence of promising players from within.
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The Pears certainly seem to have the midas touch at present. Maybe youngster's parents currently chose New Road over Edgbaston. Perceived opportunities. The same happens across the midlands.
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Apart from Sam Hain I can't recall anyone from within really establishing a place in the Championship side since then.
Not sure that Aus U19 totally counts as within
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