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Old 17th April 2018, 11:57   #41
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Long spells of heavy rain and low temperatures were to blame for the abandonment. This could have happened anywhere.
Of course it could ......

Maybe the Yorkies were running scared of playing the Champions with a depleted squad .....
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Old 17th April 2018, 13:40   #42
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One hour of rain during four days of scheduled play time. That is a shambles. I thought they had drainage. Maybe they had plans for drainage and agreed they needed drainage and then graves took a unilateral decision not to? I have no idea how a test match ground could fail so spectacularly.
They do have drainage. It was installed/renewed a few years back and has worked fine until now. Apparently this is the first complete washout at Headingley for fifty years. The groundsman was adamant that the building works had nothing to do with it and the problem was the water table being at an unprecedented high level for the time of year. And they have another home game with Notts starting this Friday, which could also be badly disrupted if there is any more rain. Then they only have three more at Headingley over the rest of the season.

Why is a team at home in both the first two rounds? This happened to Surrey last season, when the season started a week earlier, but thankfully the weather was unusually dry and warm. Worcester was under water recently and they don't play at home until the third round. It's well known that their ground is prone to flooding, so whilst they get preferential fixtures (beginning with two away matches) someone else is put at a disadvantage.

The situation would have been the same for Yorks regardless of their opponents, but it's sod's law for Essex that they've potentially lost 8 bonus points without having a chance to compete for them, when it could have been any of the other six teams visiting Headingley last week. I've always felt it's a big flaw in the bonus points system that as many as 16 additional points are awarded in some drawn matches as in others. For me there should be a fixed number of bonus points, all of which must be awarded to one team or the other.

Then there's the issue of six counties sitting out the opening round. Why wern't Surrey have been playing Somerset last week, instead of playing an MCCU team in a match that wasn't designated first class? Last year Middlesex sat out two of the first three rounds, meaning they were already two matches behind some rivals before the end of April. Surrey sat out two rounds out of three around the end of May early June.

I was studying my Surrey fixture calendar recently and there are 16 days without cricket in the first 21 days of July. The five days of cricket are all T20, with two pairs of back-to-back matches on consecutive days. What a waste of some of the prime cricketing days of Summer. I don't have a problem with the T20 window as that's the competition that generated the funds, but surely the matches don't need to be spread out over such a long period with so many fallow days in between, as well as the odd round of Championship cricket shoehorned in between.

We've got Championship matches starting on every day of the week except Thursday, and T20 matches on every day of the week except Saturday and Monday. So much for "appointment to view"
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Old 17th April 2018, 14:53   #43
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But it couldn't, and didn't.

As always, I like to get to the very first day of the new season, and this year chose Sussex v Loughborough MCCU, which began on April 1, nearly 2 weeks prior to the abandoned game at Headingley.

As in all of the UK, there was grim weather throughout March, and this was the first time I have been pessimistic about a game going ahead over a week before it was due to begin - the weather reports were awful, of cold wet weather, and even talk of snow over Easter.

When I arrived at Gatwick on March 28, it was raining, and cold. I stayed in London up to the Saturday and with more rain seriously thought about cancelling my stay in Brighton - surely it would not be fit for play?

I decided to make the most of the trip anyway and go. When I arrived the day before the match, I decided to walk up to the ground, expecting the worst. Incredibly, it looked playable. It should be pointed out as well that there's a notable slope towards the sea end at Hove, which also stands for long periods in the shadow of buildings. After I looked at the ground around 5pm, there was another spell of rain in the night.

On day 1 they played a full day - 103 overs.

Day 2 it rained and rained. And it was cold and overcast when it stopped raining. Surely that must be it?

Day 3, to my complete astonishment, I take a look on Twitter at 10am expecting the formality of cancellation but no - a 12.40 start! They played through to close.

So no, it couldn't have happened anywhere.
Interesting account of conditions elsewhere at the same time. However, a very surprising assertion that what happened at Headingley could only have happened at Headingley.

Perhaps I need to check the records to verify that cricket matches held at other venues have never been abandoned due to rain.
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Old 17th April 2018, 14:55   #44
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Of course it could ......

Maybe the Yorkies were running scared of playing the Champions with a depleted squad .....
Yes, a major factor in our winning far more County Championships than any other side has always been our ability to control the weather.
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Old 17th April 2018, 14:57   #45
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They do have drainage. It was installed/renewed a few years back and has worked fine until now. Apparently this is the first complete washout at Headingley for fifty years. The groundsman was adamant that the building works had nothing to do with it and the problem was the water table being at an unprecedented high level for the time of year. ...
Nice to see some reasoned comments from elsewhere.
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Old 17th April 2018, 15:08   #46
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Interesting account of conditions elsewhere at the same time. However, a very surprising assertion that what happened at Headingley could only have happened at Headingley.

Perhaps I need to check the records to verify that cricket matches held at other venues have never been abandoned due to rain.
When you are verifying, filter your search to English Test Grounds, since the advent of drainage investment by the ECB.
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Old 17th April 2018, 15:25   #47
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Interesting account of conditions elsewhere at the same time. However, a very surprising assertion that what happened at Headingley could only have happened at Headingley.

Perhaps I need to check the records to verify that cricket matches held at other venues have never been abandoned due to rain.
I said that it couldn't have happened anywhere, not that it could only have happened at Headingley.

Maybe for whatever reason, the amount of water overwhelmed the drains at Headingley, yet it does seem a bit odd that the ground seems to have coped in the wake of wet winters on previous occasions.
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Old 17th April 2018, 15:27   #48
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When you are verifying, filter your search to English Test Grounds, since the advent of drainage investment by the ECB.
I fear that could be a bit complicated, unless the work everywhere was completed simultaneously, allowing a date to be supplied to the query.

Alternatively, using the date by which all work was completed at all test grounds may not give an adequate time period for a half reliable conclusion.
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Old 17th April 2018, 15:29   #49
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I said that it couldn't have happened anywhere, not that it could only have happened at Headingley. ...
If it couldn't have happened anywhere, why did it happen at Headingley?
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Maybe that question needs to be directed at YCCC?
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Old 17th April 2018, 16:19   #51
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The situation would have been the same for Yorks regardless of their opponents, but it's sod's law for Essex that they've potentially lost 8 bonus points without having a chance to compete for them
It's 15 points lost as last year we took 20 points from our trip to Yorkshire.
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Old 17th April 2018, 16:31   #52
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March this year was the wettest for a decade and much longer than that in some places. Worcester and Gloucester, where I live, were among the wettest places.
Snowfall was the highest I've experienced in nearly 25 years of living here. Dry days have been few and far between so ground has had little opportunity to dry out and the water table was already high.

What's this to do with Headingley? Well, my friends and family in Yorkshire tell me that the situation has been similar oop north and the consensus is that seasonally we're, in effect, a month behind. Farmers all over the country at having a very difficult time. So I would not be pointing the finger at YCCC unless there was genuine reason to believe they have in some way been negligent.
With New Road having been flooded I'm keeping my fingers crossed that our first home game starting on the 27th can go ahread.
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Old 17th April 2018, 18:07   #54
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What a dreadful prospect, the season is short enough as it is.
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Odd Yorkshire have 2 home fixtures in a row at the start of the season. Don't know about Headingly but here it's been drizzling most of the day. Hope the next 2 days are as good as promised.
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Odd Yorkshire have 2 home fixtures in a row at the start of the season. Don't know about Headingly but here it's been drizzling most of the day. Hope the next 2 days are as good as promised.
Dry enough to mow the lawn this morning a couple of miles from Headingley. Water level in our well not particularly high, though we certainly havenít been having a drought lately.
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What a dreadful prospect, the season is short enough as it is.
The season is year round now, there is too much cricket and there needs to be trimming of the international and domestic calendar. Unfortunately I can't see T20 being cut back, although maybe the blast will disappear sooner than later, so that leaves county and one day tournaments.
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The season is year round now, there is too much cricket and there needs to be trimming of the international and domestic calendar. Unfortunately I can't see T20 being cut back, although maybe the blast will disappear sooner than later, so that leaves county and one day tournaments.
You have a point about the international calendar, but the domestic season is very short. I'd hate to see it even shorter.
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Dry enough to mow the lawn this morning a couple of miles from Headingley. Water level in our well not particularly high, though we certainly havenít been having a drought lately.
If recent weather couldn't fill your well up what would it have been like with a dryish Spring?
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You have a point about the international calendar, but the domestic season is very short. I'd hate to see it even shorter.
I thought everyone moans that it's been stretched earlier and later? Seems a later start date this year, but haven't we had first rounds of county games in the first week of April in recent years? And also games finishing quite late in September?
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