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Old 19th September 2018, 11:26   #21
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Apart from GBG who appears happy to criticise notts for signing players from smaller counties but not appreciate that the 100 will make this even worse. It is inevitable.
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Old 19th September 2018, 11:31   #22
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I could only conclude they expected it to be such a shambles that it was best to keep potential future fans well away.
In fact thinking about it, surely the obvious thing to do was was invite a few local schools to send some 11 year olds along. Maybe some already interested in cricket and some who weren't. If they started to get bored halfway through then clearly they need to have a re-think, like maybe The Fifty!!
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Old 19th September 2018, 11:38   #23
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In fact thinking about it, surely the obvious thing to do was was invite a few local schools to send some 11 year olds along. Maybe some already interested in cricket and some who weren't. If they started to get bored halfway through then clearly they need to have a re-think, like maybe The Fifty!!
The fifty i could actually understand because it could all be over in under 90 mins. That would actually be different rather than a a handful fewer balls.
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Old 19th September 2018, 11:44   #24
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The fifty i could actually understand because it could all be over in under 90 mins. That would actually be different rather than a a handful fewer balls.
Which no doubt we'll end up getting when there's rain on the evening of the first televised match, and then the Beeb will have to apologise for the 10pm News being late anyway as we wait for Dwayne Bravo to bowl one of his famed slower deliveries to Kieron Pollard!!
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For me it's the very fact that the Blast is contested by the counties that is central to its appeal.

Anyone can win it, as shown by the roll of honour since it began, and while the format may be a million miles away from the County Championship, the clubs' different characteristics are very much present.

So you have Surrey literally trying to blast their way to success with a team sprinkled with stars in front of 20,000 high-spirited office workers and co. at The Oval. At the other end of the spectrum, Derbyshire with a careworn coach squeezing the most out of a band of obscure, hungry players before 3,000 family-friendly spectators at a small county ground. And everything in between.

With The Hundred you're removing all those vital ingedients. It will be like alcohol-free wine - characterless.
What, variety is more interesting than homogeneity?

Who'd have thunk it?!

And look at the general goodwill afforded Worcestershire after their victory. Similar to that which accompanied victories by Leicestershire and Northants. Its almost as if people like an underdog success.
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Old 19th September 2018, 13:53   #26
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For me it's the very fact that the Blast is contested by the counties that is central to its appeal.

Anyone can win it, as shown by the roll of honour since it began, and while the format may be a million miles away from the County Championship, the clubs' different characteristics are very much present.

So you have Surrey literally trying to blast their way to success with a team sprinkled with stars in front of 20,000 high-spirited office workers and co. at The Oval. At the other end of the spectrum, Derbyshire with a careworn coach squeezing the most out of a band of obscure, hungry players before 3,000 family-friendly spectators at a small county ground. And everything in between.

With The Hundred you're removing all those vital ingedients. It will be like alcohol-free wine - characterless.
The character comes from the players not the teams.

Yesterday I was following the HK-India match and thinking how awesome it is that some of those HK players are probably going to get an IPL contract and how that is going to revolutionise their lives - not because they'll become millionaires but because they'll become professional cricketers and how that will benefit cricket in HK when they can share that experience with the next generation of players.

We've seen this recently with Nepalese leggie Lamichhane - what a ****ing awesome feelgood story that is and then there's Rashid Khan and the rise of Afghan cricket boosted by their exposure to overseas domestic T20 cricket competitions. Franchise cricket is creating opportunities that is growing the game (along with some great work from the ICC development team, despite being undermined by the ICC leadership).

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Given the usually diverse opinions on this board, it really does take something quite astonishing to unite so many of us here. If nothing else, The Hundred has achieved that!!
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Old 19th September 2018, 14:05   #27
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Apart from GBG who appears happy to criticise notts for signing players from smaller counties but not appreciate that the 100 will make this even worse. It is inevitable.
I was pointing out Notts sign players from smaller counties in response to Notts fans complaining about Surrey signing someone. I don't think I expressed whether this was good or bad.

The Hundred potentially offers the opportunity for Leics players to gain international recognition and greater remuneration (the reasons generally given for leaving) without leaving Leics to join Notts.
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Old 19th September 2018, 14:22   #28
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I was pointing out Notts sign players from smaller counties in response to Notts fans complaining about Surrey signing someone. I don't think I expressed whether this was good or bad.

The Hundred potentially offers the opportunity for Leics players to gain international recognition and greater remuneration (the reasons generally given for leaving) without leaving Leics to join Notts.
Do you honestly think that this won’t end up widening the gap even more?
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Do you honestly think that this won’t end up widening the gap even more?
The gap may widen anyway but creating a tier above Notts seems to be more likely to prevent it increasing than creating a two division Blast.
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The character comes from the players not the teams.
The character comes from the clubs. It's the sum of the parts. The character comes from home-made cakes and second hand bookstores at Grace Road's The Meet. From Marcus Trescothick in his 26th season at Somerset. From the wooden signs at Scarborough that look as if they've been there since the 1930s. From Surrey organising women's softball cricket festivals. From the Glamorgan fans who attend every away game. From real ale festivals promoting local breweries. From realising that the old bloke standing next to you at Hove is Jim Parks. From being able to get a scorecard at a 2nd XI game. From being able to buy a biography of Robin Hobbs. From the Lancashire fan who wears a red wreath on his head. From cricket at Tunbridge Wells. From Somerset, Warwickshire and Worcestershire's over-70s sides. From Darren Stevens. From club quiz nights, prize-giving evenings and fans' forums. From being able to walk down the road and catch up with friends at your local club...

The Hundred won't have any of that, is it will be, as you say, teams, not clubs, and thus without any depth of character.
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The character comes from the clubs. It's the sum of the parts. The character comes from home-made cakes and second hand bookstores at Grace Road's The Meet. From Marcus Trescothick in his 26th season at Somerset. From the wooden signs at Scarborough that look as if they've been there since the 1930s. From Surrey organising women's softball cricket festivals. From the Glamorgan fans who attend every away game. From real ale festivals promoting local breweries. From realising that the old bloke standing next to you at Hove is Jim Parks. From being able to get a scorecard at a 2nd XI game. From being able to buy a biography of Robin Hobbs. From the Lancashire fan who wears a red wreath on his head. From cricket at Tunbridge Wells. From Somerset, Warwickshire and Worcestershire's over-70s sides. From Darren Stevens. From club quiz nights, prize-giving evenings and fans' forums. From being able to walk down the road and catch up with friends at your local club...

The Hundred won't have any of that, is it will be, as you say, teams, not clubs, and thus without any depth of character.
It might have Darren Stevens
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The Hundred potentially offers the opportunity for Leics players to gain international recognition and greater remuneration (the reasons generally given for leaving) without leaving Leics to join Notts.
Really?

Won't it just be another shop window for them to say come and get me. Look I can do all this, if surrounded with better players than there are at Leicestershire. Playing alongside other county captains will help, and presumably for other coaches so they may even be more likely to be tempted away.

Always assuming that the franchise bidders even look at Leicestershire players.

By way of an example.
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Always assuming that the franchise bidders even look at Leicestershire players.
Exactly, think they'll have to be pretty remarkable types (Pat Brown for example) for the non-locals to get a look in at the franchise grounds.
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Exactly, think they'll have to be pretty remarkable types (Pat Brown for example) for the non-locals to get a look in at the franchise grounds.
Yes but depending who is doing the selection and how.

I think the women were allocated in their first super league season by the ECB. Thereafter the franchises appear to have had greater control.

Does anyone know who the franchises are, who controls or manages them yet. Only where they will be playing.
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Really?

Won't it just be another shop window for them to say come and get me. Look I can do all this, if surrounded with better players than there are at Leicestershire. Playing alongside other county captains will help, and presumably for other coaches so they may even be more likely to be tempted away.

Always assuming that the franchise bidders even look at Leicestershire players.

By way of an example.
I'm pretty sure franchise bidders will look at Leicestershire players. I suspect more players will selected from bigger counties (not least because they are currently better than Leics) but unless they let the counties run the franchises it won't be a closed shop to div 2 players.

I think there are a lot of variables - and a lot will depend on how the funding is paid out. Will counties hosting it get paid more or will all counties benefit equally? If all counties benefit equally that will give a boost to smaller counties. If hosting grounds are paid substantial rent that could see a further exodus to the rich.
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I'm pretty sure franchise bidders will look at Leicestershire players. I suspect more players will selected from bigger counties (not least because they are currently better than Leics) but unless they let the counties run the franchises it won't be a closed shop to div 2 players.

I think there are a lot of variables - and a lot will depend on how the funding is paid out. Will counties hosting it get paid more or will all counties benefit equally? If all counties benefit equally that will give a boost to smaller counties. If hosting grounds are paid substantial rent that could see a further exodus to the rich.
Players normally playing at the venues where the franchises are based will also make sense in an attempt to market the concept. Althouygh I'm sur ethey will use Root, Stokes, Buttler and Anderson to market every franchise.

But of course they will get more income.

an on message Daniel Gidney is expecting to make profit from it similar to his concerts, on catering , hospitality etc. that would be additional to the county pay out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81qp...youtu.be&t=281

Sounds like it will be ECB controlled to start with. After year one, they may be able to sell the franchises which according to Gidney they own. Doubt they will sell many beforehand. Still a lot of time to go.
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Players normally playing at the venues where the franchises are based will also make sense in an attempt to market the concept. Althouygh I'm sur ethey will use Root, Stokes, Buttler and Anderson to market every franchise.

But of course they will get more income.

an on message Daniel Gidney is expecting to make profit from it similar to his concerts, on catering , hospitality etc. that would be additional to the county pay out.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81qp...youtu.be&t=281

Sounds like it will be ECB controlled to start with. After year one, they may be able to sell the franchises which according to Gidney they own. Doubt they will sell many beforehand. Still a lot of time to go.
They supposedly aren't marketing it to existing fans but trying to attract new fans. I also think you over-estimate the marketing attraction of second tier players. It will be a disaster if they let counties run the franchises and the counties then just pick their own players. If you have outside people running it, it stands a far greater chance of success.

As for interest in selling franchises - I expect there to be huge interest from abroad, especially India. I think it will be easier to sell it as a concept (and a blank template) than to sell a franchise after a year when it has inherited baggage (half are then likely to have losing records) and you are stuck with a marketing strategy/colours/team-name not of your choosing. My fear is that concessions struck with the counties (who want to kill it anyway) will neuter it from the start.
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They supposedly aren't marketing it to existing fans but trying to attract new fans.
Practically all the people I know who have some awareness of cricket, but don't attend, which presumably is the core target audience, have the same concept of what attending a match will be like - a traditional old ground, players in crisp whites, an ice-cream van parked by the boundary, gentle applause and the odd "well batted", tea and scones, chatter, maybe a glass of wine. Hopefully their kids can have a match on the outfield during lunch, too.

Not a muscle-bound bloke in multi-coloured kit with triangles and numbers tattooed on his arms repeatedly hoisting the ball into the stand with flamethrowers by the boundary and loud blasts of music.

I really don't believe the reason they don't attend is because they crave the latter.
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They supposedly aren't marketing it to existing fans but trying to attract new fans. I also think you over-estimate the marketing attraction of second tier players. It will be a disaster if they let counties run the franchises and the counties then just pick their own players. If you have outside people running it, it stands a far greater chance of success.

As for interest in selling franchises - I expect there to be huge interest from abroad, especially India. I think it will be easier to sell it as a concept (and a blank template) than to sell a franchise after a year when it has inherited baggage (half are then likely to have losing records) and you are stuck with a marketing strategy/colours/team-name not of your choosing. My fear is that concessions struck with the counties (who want to kill it anyway) will neuter it from the start.
Considering the 3 formats we already have, where are another 15K for example, going to come from to attend Trent Bridge for this filth? And if it's on the TV, this will further dampen gate demand.
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Considering the 3 formats we already have, where are another 15K for example, going to come from to attend Trent Bridge for this filth? And if it's on the TV, this will further dampen gate demand.
They'll give the tickets away if they have to. Whatever it takes to fill the grounds and make it look like a success .
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