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Old 6th October 2016, 12:12   #1
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Countdown to the start of the 2017 season

I started the thread for this on this day last year... so why not.

The 2016 fixtures were released on December 2*
The 2015 fixtures were released on November 28
The 2014 fixtures were released on November 26
The 2013 fixtures were released on November 26
The 2012 fixtures were released on November 29
The 2011 fixtures were released on December 14
The 2010 fixtures were released on November 19
The 2009 fixtures were released on December 18
The 2008 fixtures were released on November 14
The 2007 fixtures were released on November 16
The 2005 fixtures were released on November 12
The 2003 fixtures were released on November 14
The 2002 fixtures were released on November 21
The 2000 fixtures were released on November 18

*Though the first matches in each competition were announed on December 1.

Matches/dates already announced:

May 19 Sussex v South Africa (D/N), Hove
May 21 Northants v South Africa, Northampton
June 18 Leicestershire v South Africa T20, Leicester
June 29-July 1 England Lions v South Africa, Worcester
August 1-3 Essex v West Indies, Chelmsford
August 6-8 Kent v West Indies, Canterbury
August 11-13 Derbyshire v West Indies, Derby
September 2-3, Leicestershire v West Indies, Leicester+
+ match played against an ECB XI if Leicestershire qualify for T20 Finals Day

All tour matches to be played 11-a-side with three-day games having First Class status

Domestic finals

July 1 Royal London One-Day Cup Final, Lordís
September 2 NatWest T20 Blast Finals Day, Edgbaston


South Africa A

May 27 v Yorkshire, Leeds
May 29 v Derbyshire, Derby
June 1 ODI v England Lions, Trent Bridge
June 3 ODI v England Lions, Northampton
June 5 ODI v England Lions (D/N), Northampton
June 8-11 v Hampshire, Ageas Bowl
June 14-17 v Sussex, Arundel (v Duke of Norfolk XI if Sussex in RL knock-out stage)
June 21-24 ĎAí Test v England Lions, Canterbury

I've included England Lions games as its handy for reference.

Unlike last year, when I successfully predicted the exact dates for the opening first-class matches and the first Championship matches, due to the revamp of the fixtures it is guesswork as to when the season will begin.

But as far as I can gather, the season may look something like:
April: MCCU matches followed by some (2?) CC matches
Late April-sometime in May: RL group matches
Sometime in May-end of June: CC matches/RL knock-outs
July-August: T20 Blast in 2 blocks with CC matches in between
September: remaining CC matches

Obviously something frequently delays the fixtures' publication - no doubt the Durham affair will be the excuse this time around. Last year was extremely vague in terms of announcing the date, while in some previous years an exact date was announced several weeks in advance.

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According to Middlesex's website, the MCC v Champion County game will be played in Abu Dhabi from Sunday March 26 to Wednesday March 29. It appears to be reverting back to a day-night game.

If the pattern of last season is followed, that would indicate that the the first first-class games against the MCCUs would begin on some day in the first week of April with the County Championship to begin over Easter.

I assume two sets of Championship fixtures with the RL Cup beginning in time for the May 1 bank holiday.
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According to Middlesex's website, the MCC v Champion County game will be played in Abu Dhabi from Sunday March 26 to Wednesday March 29. It appears to be reverting back to a day-night game.

If the pattern of last season is followed, that would indicate that the the first first-class games against the MCCUs would begin on some day in the first week of April with the County Championship to begin over Easter.

I assume two sets of Championship fixtures with the RL Cup beginning in time for the May 1 bank holiday.
What do you think are the chances that they will start them on Good Friday allowing people to actually go?

A trip to Hove over Easter would be quite nice.
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What do you think are the chances that they will start them on Good Friday allowing people to actually go?

A trip to Hove over Easter would be quite nice.
In my opinion, with Easter being April 14-17, coupled with the new structure meaning only a short burst of CC before a block of RL50, it is a complete no-brainer to begin the Championship on Good Friday, April 14.

That would allow something like:

Monday April 3-Wednesday April 5: uni (or start 1 day later)
Saturday April 8-Monday April 10: uni (or start 1 day later)
Friday April 14-Monday April 17: CC
Friday April 21-Monday April 24: CC
Allowing 4 days off before starting the RL50 on the May bank holiday weekend with matches over that whole weekend.

The chances? Be prepared for them to start the CC on Sunday April 16!
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Something to do over Easter that doesn't involve hordes of people would certainly be most welcome.
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In my opinion, with Easter being April 14-17, coupled with the new structure meaning only a short burst of CC before a block of RL50, it is a complete no-brainer to begin the Championship on Good Friday, April 14.

That would allow something like:

Monday April 3-Wednesday April 5: uni (or start 1 day later)
Saturday April 8-Monday April 10: uni (or start 1 day later)
Friday April 14-Monday April 17: CC
Friday April 21-Monday April 24: CC
Allowing 4 days off before starting the RL50 on the May bank holiday weekend with matches over that whole weekend.

The chances? Be prepared for them to start the CC on Sunday April 16!
More likely the county championship will start on Tuesday 18th April given the ineptitude of the ECB.
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Something to do over Easter that doesn't involve hordes of people would certainly be most welcome.
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From:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-3845372/ECB-add-nine-floodlit-matches-2017-County-Championship-calendar.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign =1490


The 2017 County Championship is set to feature a round of floodlit matches to help England players prepare for day-night Tests.

...blah blah England blah blah...

That could involve some juggling and the fixture list, usually released in mid-November, may be delayed as a result.

Quelle surprise!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/cricket/article-3845372/ECB-add-nine-floodlit-matches-2017-County-Championship-calendar.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign =1490


The 2017 County Championship is set to feature a round of floodlit matches to help England players prepare for day-night Tests.

...blah blah England blah blah...

That could involve some juggling and the fixture list, usually released in mid-November, may be delayed as a result.

Quelle surprise!
Do the counties get any say in this, or has it just been imposed upon them? As a member I don't want my team playing a floodlit CC match, and if it's an away game it will be a lot less convenient to attend. When I'm away overnight for away games I like to go out in the evenings, I don't want to be hanging around all morning waiting for the game to start, then straight back to my hotel at close of play, or trying to get a train back home at 10pm from Manchester or Leeds. It's a terrible idea.
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Almost as bad as the suggestion of playing one round of games abroad that was on the ECB's table a couple of years back.
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Do the counties get any say in this, or has it just been imposed upon them? As a member I don't want my team playing a floodlit CC match, and if it's an away game it will be a lot less convenient to attend. When I'm away overnight for away games I like to go out in the evenings, I don't want to be hanging around all morning waiting for the game to start, then straight back to my hotel at close of play, or trying to get a train back home at 10pm from Manchester or Leeds. It's a terrible idea.
It looks like a logistical nightmare from the outset. Obviously they all have to be before that Test on August 17. At first glance, the three tour games involving Essex, Kent and Derbyshire v the West Indies from August 1-13 look like the ideal opportunity for both parties, possibly with guest players from England participating. The massive obstacle is that England are involved in the South Africa Tests until August 8, which of course rules out them being any use for England.

July is out due to that South Africa series, and on top it is one of the blocks for the T20 Blast.

That leaves the County Championship matches probably set to take place from sometime around late May to early July. Which of course coincides with ODIs and T20s v South Africa with the Champions Trophy inbetween.

So that more or less rules out England's red/white ball players, leaving maybe only the likes of Cook, Hameed, Anderson, maybe Broad, to gain any experience, two months before the actual floodlit Test.

There is maybe a tiny window after the last T20 on June 25 and first South Africa Test on July 6 - but that of course is when England are preparing for a red-ball Test!

The best 'window', if you can even call it that, would be perhaps around August 11-14, but it comes straight after England have played two back-to-back Tests and face two more, so I very much doubt they would be on for playing a Championship match inbetween.

Early May, ahead of the international calendar, apart from a couple of Ireland ODIs, is set aside for the Royal London Cup.

So, April it is, then.
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So, April it is, then.
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It seems that the 9-match figure comes from it being one round of floodlit matches.

Sure, this might take a bit of tweaking to decide when and have all the counties involved in a round with grounds with floodlights, and lights that can be used on those days.

How it should delay the publication of the fixtures I cannot understand. If there are any ongoing issues with the fixtures once the draft has been circulated, then simply invite 18 county representatives down to Lord's for a day to thrash them out around a table.
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It seems that the 9-match figure comes from it being one round of floodlit matches.

Sure, this might take a bit of tweaking to decide when and have all the counties involved in a round with grounds with floodlights, and lights that can be used on those days.

How it should delay the publication of the fixtures I cannot understand. If there are any ongoing issues with the fixtures once the draft has been circulated, then simply invite 18 county representatives down to Lord's for a day to thrash them out around a table.
How many county HQ grounds don't have floodlights?
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How many county HQ grounds don't have floodlights?
I think it's now none, but some certainly have restrictions on their use, so 4 successive days could be a problem for some. Of course in addition, assuming they do actually arrange this round in the summer, it would be at a time when what little outground cricket is left is more likely to be scheduled, so this might require some adjustments if all these matches were to be played at once.
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I think it's now none, but some certainly have restrictions on their use, so 4 successive days could be a problem for some. Of course in addition, assuming they do actually arrange this round in the summer, it would be at a time when what little outground cricket is left is more likely to be scheduled, so this might require some adjustments if all these matches were to be played at once.
Worcester don't have them, and are unlikely to do so, as the ground is in a Flood Risk Zone.

You are correct about the restrictions. The planning permission for floodlights will usually contain a condition stating the maximum number of days it can be used for . I seem to recall that the planning approval for Derby, for example, limits them to 9 days per year.

4 days floodlit CC cricket would mean that they could have a maximum of 4 floodlit T20 group games at home (given that they would have to keep back a day in case of a home QF)..or 3 if Elton John wants the floodlights for his concert there next year!
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If the idea is to prepare England players for the day night tests, then surely all the England squad should be released (not rested) for these games. Given the track record of releasing players to their counties is this likely ?
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If the idea is to prepare England players for the day night tests, then surely all the England squad should be released (not rested) for these games. Given the track record of releasing players to their counties is this likely ?
As see my post above, the problem does not seem so much releasing them as there being a suitable time when the players would not either be playing for England or resting in a very short space between games.

Of course we have yet to see this round of floodlit games become a reality. My guess is also that introducing them is also seen as something of a drill for the future. If England are to be playing day-night Tests, then it follows that some domestic f/c cricket needs to be day-night, so players know what to expect (not necessarily just to prepare them for a game in a week's time). In other words, it isn't just about preparing for the West Indies Test, it's about preparing for games down the line.
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Does anyone know if any football clubs are restricted as to the amount of times they switch on their floodlights?
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