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Old 5th March 2014, 14:34   #861
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It really does show the advantages of having a skill set suited to the environment that you develop your skills in.

Herath, slightly low arm but gets flight and dip can be devilishly difficult to get away on slow, low surfaces.

Swann was about away drift and sharp turn on wearing surfaces (i.e. most suited to England).

Lyon is about overspin and bounce which is most suited to Australia.

I would point out that people underestimate the job that Swann did in Australia in 2010/11. To average under 40 there on pitches that generally don't offer turn is a pretty decent effort. He cashed in once when the Adelaide pitch did break up and turn.
Agree about Swann in 2010. In truth unless you have a Warne or Murali, the spinner's job is to bowl a lions share and keep it tight most of the time then win matches on 4th/5th days or spinning tracks. Swann did that exactly against Australia in 2010 and also back in England v India in 2011.

Re Herath. Someone compared him as being the same as Monty and Ashwin. Small sample size maybe, but in Australia, which is known to be a spinner's graveyard, Herath vastly out-performed both of those two. Yes, his record in England was poor (everyone's allowed a bad series), but over the past few years he has been consistently better than anyone bar Ajmal.
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Old 10th March 2014, 02:30   #862
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Ha, "sore knee" becomes "patella tendonitis".
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Old 10th March 2014, 11:38   #863
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Last summer I was on the train and to cut a long story short I ended up watching on my phone the odi between England and nz where broad made a comeback from a knee injury with Chris broad. He told me about how Stuart had a problem from his youth that will last forever. He grew too quickly in early teenage years and has a weakness. If he gets a bump then they immediately rest for two weeks. It could just be that again.
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Old 29th March 2014, 20:22   #864
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Bowling at the death in 20/20s (last 4 overs) since the start of the format in 2005

Updated till 8.9.16

53.0-0-533-21 - Dernbach (10.05)
45.4-0-416-20 - Broad (econ 9.11)
26.3-0-289-11 - Bresnan (10.90)
24.4-0-198-12 - Sidebottom (8.02)
20.0-0-173-10 - Jordan (8.65)
16.2-1-137-5 - Anderson (8.38)
14.0-0-113-5 - Finn (8.07)
12.4-1-101-6 - Bopara (7.97)
10.0-0-74-4 - Swann (7.40)
10-0-72-3 - Flintoff (7.20)
8.0-0-92-2 - Willey (11.50)
6.0-0-52-2 - Stokes (8.66)
6.0-0-59-1 - Wright (9.83)
5.2-0-58-5 - Woakes (10.88)
5.1-0-57-2 - Topley (11.04)
5.0-0-49-2 - Collingwood (9.80)
4.5-0-38-2 - Plunkett (7.86)
4.0-0-23-2 - Rashid (5.75)
4.0-0-33-2 - Gurney (8.25)
4.0-0-25-3 - Mahmood (6.25)
4.0-0-29-0 - Yardy (7.25)
4.0-0-55-2 - Shahzad (14.66)
2.5-0-48-0 - Schofield (16.96)
2.0-0-23-1 - Ali (11.50)
2.0-0-15-2 - Khan (7.50)
2.0-0-30-0 - Meaker (15.00)
1.5-0-24-0 - Tredwell (13.11)
1.0-0-6-2 - Maddy (6.00)
1.0-0-3-2 - Wood (3.00)
1.0-0-10-0 - Pietersen (10.00)
1.0-0-11-1 - Tremlett (11.00)
1.0-0-13-0 - Lewis (13.00)
1.0-0-14-0 - Patel (14.00)
1.0-0-23-0 - Briggs (23.00)
0.5-0-10-0 - Gough
0.3-0-0-1 - Harmison

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Old 1st April 2014, 18:28   #865
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http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...rnbach-england

The thing is lots of other bowlers bowl at the death. He can't bowl both ends so there is someone bowling that. Broad used to bowl at the death but when you have a bowler who is a specialist death bowler Broad lets him do the job and Bresnan has put himself down as a death bowler as well. Really Broad is better than both. A captain would really be better off to bowl 4 different bowlers for the last four overs. Jordan now is more likely to bowl in the last four overs than Bresnan though I feel his econ rate will also go up.

Dernbach figures for Surrey 59 games 68 wickets at 18.35 econ 6.65 s/r 16.55

It works for Surrey against county batsmen. Stewart doesn't put forward the excuse of him bowling the hard overs for Surrey there. He does what he is supposed to do well. International batsmen have no problem with him where his economy is 8.71. Back of the hand slower ball, no problem nearly all fast bowlers in internationals use it.
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Old 1st April 2014, 19:18   #866
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"(of the nine men to have sent down 300 balls for England in T20, Dernbach's economy rate is indeed the worst, but barely one run an over more expensive than, say, Broad and Jimmy Anderson). "

Barely? That's like 20 or 25% worse. That's a huge margin.
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He bowls at the end because he's always going to go for runs because he's rubbish, so since anyone's going to go for runs at the end, it makes sense to save decent bowlers for the earlier overs, where they might bowl a cheap over. Really, the mystery about Dernbach is why Broad uses him at all when there are 5 or 6 better bowlers in the side. It would be better to have a specialist fielder at 11 -- even if he's not a very good fielder either.
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One point to make though is that the other bowlers need to take more wickets before the death overs, e.g. Tredwell, because the worst thing for Dernbach is to be bowling with two set batsmen in the last 4 overs. It's not good Tredwell just being economical but not getting wickets because the batsmen can get their runs from the other bowlers. So the batsmen are kept fairly quiet for 4 overs of Tredwell. It doesn't matter if they can get 60 runs off the last 4.

Reading the above back and having a look at Tredwell's economy it's 7.77 which is not that economical for a spinner. Two most economical are Bopara and Broad, who both have good strike rates. Jordan's is not bad either. Just need to find two other good bowlers with good econ and strike rates rather than Dernbach and Bresnan.
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One point to make though is that the other bowlers need to take more wickets before the death overs, e.g. Tredwell, because the worst thing for Dernbach is to be bowling with two set batsmen in the last 4 overs. It's not good Tredwell just being economical but not getting wickets because the batsmen can get their runs from the other bowlers. So the batsmen are kept fairly quiet for 4 overs of Tredwell. It doesn't matter if they can get 60 runs off the last 4.
That works two ways; the batsmen may deliberately take fewer risks against
the better bowlers like Tredwell as they know that if they stay in they'll be able to tuck into Dernbach & co's pies at the end. If we had better death bowlers they might feel they need to attack earlier more.

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Reading the above back and having a look at Tredwell's economy it's 7.77 which is not that economical for a spinner. Two most economical are Bopara and Broad, who both have good strike rates. Jordan's is not bad either. Just need to find two other good bowlers with good econ and strike rates rather than Dernbach and Bresnan.
As I've posted before, Tredwell's economy rate of 7.7 has to be taken in the context of the matches he's played in. England have conceded runs at an average of 8.8 per over in those matches, so it turns out that Tredwell's economy rate is pretty good after all.
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Since 2000 most Test overs bowled by spin and seam

2002 - Harbhajan 845.1 - Zaheer Khan 668.4
2003 - Murali 668.3 - Ntini 663.5
2004 - Kumble 726.4 - Gillespie 700.3
2005 - Warne 729.4 - McGrath 719.1
2006 - Murali 854.2 - Lee 599.1
2007 - Panesar 651.1 - Zaheer Khan 615.4
2008 - Harbhajan 843.5 - Johnson 717.0
2009 - Swann 624.0 - Johnson 774.3
2010 - Swann 736.0 - Anderson 583.0
2011 - Ajmal 671.4 - Sharma 507.3
2012 - Swann 634.2 - Anderson 566.2
2013 - Anderson 531.5 - Swann 440.0
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Overs bowled in all forms of the game 2013

758.4 - Broad
716.5 - Anderson
706.5 - Jordan
679.1 - Finn
670.2 - Onions
545.5 - Stokes
509.1 - Tremlett
448.2 - Bresnan
402.2 - Rankin

2014
281.2 - Bresnan
239.3 - Finn
224.4 - Anderson
212.5 - Jordan
187.3 - Woakes
187.2 - Onions
136.5 - Broad
113.0 - Tremlett
104.5 - Stokes
70.3 - Rankin

Finn on twitter - a few niggles, lots of overs last month or so. Nothing serious. Should be good for the game v Surrey in a few weeks.

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Thought this was a good interview on what bowlers go through with their feet. Amazing that Broad has no feeling in some of his toes.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/cri...source=refresh
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I know bowlers do have trouble with their feet, and it's not just Broad who cuts a hole in the toe of his boot, but the fact that two of his toes are dead is surely worrying and needs looking at?

Scyld Berry's chronology is wonky. Broad and Anderson have been leading England's attack for no more than 6 years.
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I know bowlers do have trouble with their feet, and it's not just Broad who cuts a hole in the toe of his boot, but the fact that two of his toes are dead is surely worrying and needs looking at?

Scyld Berry's chronology is wonky. Broad and Anderson have been leading England's attack for no more than 6 years.
He also states that it is two and half times a bowler's bodyweight. According to this article it's between five to ten times the bodyweight.

http://www.quintic.com/education/cas...ricket%203.htm

From reading about the state of his feet will Broad make it to 100 Tests? He is on 67 at the moment. Also wants to play in all three forms of the game.
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Frightening when you read it.

Makes you wonder how fast bowlers can manage to even get out of bed by the time they are in their late thirties.
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Bowler Innings bowled/overs per inns/100+ conceded/econ Ratio Inns/Inn(100+)

Botham 168/21.7/31/2.99 5.4
Anderson 175/19.9/17/3.09 10.3
Broad 127/19.3/10/3.09 12.7
Bresnan 41/19.0/5/3.02 8.2
Finn 43/7/16.9/3.65 6.1
Harmison 115/19.4/13/3.22 8.9
Hoggard 122/19.0/15/3.26 8.1
Flintoff 137/18.2/8/2.97 17.1
Darren Gough 95/20.7/16/3.30 5.9
Caddick 105/21.5/20/3.09 5.3
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Most wickets taken of number 1-3 batsmen (100+ min) (Spinners in red, % of wickets in brackets)

225 - McGrath (40%)
202 - Murali (25.3)
177 - Walsh (34.1)
175 - Kapil Dev (40.3)
173 - Kumble (27.9)
163 - Warne (23.0)
159 - Anderson (37.3)
158 - Hadlee (36.7)
150 - Pollock (35.6)
149 - Ntini (38.2) Vaas (42.0)
147 - Ambrose (36.3)
140 - Zaheer Khan (45.0)
136 - McDermott (36.4)
134 - Willis (41.2)
132 - Akram (31.9) Younis (35.4)
129 - Donald (39.1)
128 - Lillee (36.1) Imran Khan (35.4)
127 - Steyn (32.1)
125 - Marshall (33.2)
118 - Botham (30.8)
113 - Lee (36.5)
104 - Trueman (33.9) Harbhajan (25.2)
102 - McKenzie (41.5)

Six bowlers have a high percentage of over 40% with Zaheer Khan the best at 45%.
Spinners have a higher percentage of wickets 8-11 than 1-3 as expected. The only fast bowler with a higher percentage of 8-11s than 1-3s is Akram (31.9/35.0)

ODIs
241 - Vaas (60.3%)
229 - Akram (45.6)
205 - Pollock (52.2)
181 - McGrath (47.5)
176 - Lee (46.3)
172 - Younis (41.3)
154 - Srinath (48.9)
149 - ZKhan (45.7)
134 - Ntini (50.4)
131 - Anderson (48.9)
130 - Murali (24.3)
129 - Agarkar (44.8)
126 - Mills (52.5)
115 - Walsh (50.7)
125 - Streak (52.3)
114 - Akhtar (46.2)
111 - Afridi (28.1)
105 - Gough (44.7)
103 - Kumble (30.6) Razzaq (38.3)
105 - Malinga (37.2)

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Another stat picked up from Cricinfo

Only two fast bowlers have bowled over 500 Test overs in consecutive years

Johnson
2008 585.0
2009 502.5

Anderson
2012 566.2
2013 531.5
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Another stat picked up from Cricinfo

Only two fast bowlers have bowled over 500 Test overs in consecutive years

Johnson
2008 585.0
2009 502.5

Anderson
2012 566.2
2013 531.5
How did Johnson's 2010 turn out?
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