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Old 18th November 2014, 19:46   #921
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I suppose that's one way of putting it. But surely if one thinks in those terms, there are 10 wickets to go round in any given innings, and all the bowlers compete with all the other bowlers. Seamers have the advantage that usually two of them will be put on as default bowlers at the start of the innings, whereas a spinner usually has to wait until the seamers have had a go first, and have stopped taking wickets, before he gets a chance. Nonetheless, when one is bowling, no one else is bowling; and a spinner's over is the same length as a seamer's. In the end I think the main difference is that a quick bowler needs to be taken off sooner, because he gets tired, and then he needs to be left in the outfield for longer in between spells.
There is a bit in your last sentence, agreed. However, bowlers tend to take wickets in clumps when conditions help. If its good for seam/swing bowling, then your seam/swing bowler will have 2 or 3 team-mates licking their lips, whereas on a turning pitch, especially on a 4th or 5th day, the spinner is thrown the ball and expected to bowl the side out on his own. NB talking about in England here.
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Old 18th November 2014, 20:00   #922
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http://www.wisdenindia.com/cricket-a...-series/113590

Some interesting analysis here.

I'd like to learn a bit more about how they determine what is series defining and what isn't.
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Old 19th November 2014, 01:14   #923
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There is a bit in your last sentence, agreed. However, bowlers tend to take wickets in clumps when conditions help. If its good for seam/swing bowling, then your seam/swing bowler will have 2 or 3 team-mates licking their lips, whereas on a turning pitch, especially on a 4th or 5th day, the spinner is thrown the ball and expected to bowl the side out on his own. NB talking about in England here.
I think if that happens then there's been a severe selection mistake, because in the situation you describe the captain is surmising in advance that all the bowlers from one end -- i.e., the end the spinner isn't bowling from -- are going to pose no threat. He's crying out for a second spinner, in other words. So maybe the reason why it's so often spinners who make series-defining contributions is because, due to the conventions of English selection, they so often find themselves as the only spinner in the side in conditions that are no good for seamers.

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Old 3rd February 2015, 10:35   #924
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Akram is the best fastest bowler ever.
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Old 4th February 2015, 11:59   #925
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Old 6th February 2015, 13:18   #926
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/magazine...ry/826831.html

Finn and Anderson to open then.


Since the 2 new balls, 1 Oct 2011, 71 ODIs. we have only let the oppostion batting first get to 300 eight times

300 v India - TB SF JD GS SP RB
359 v NZ - JA TB CW JD JR GS
315 v Aus - SF BR BS RB JT JR
300 v SL - JA HG JR CJ JT RP
304 v Ind - JA CW CJ BS JR JT
317 v SL - CW HG JT BS MA JR RB
302 v SL - CW HG JT JR CJ MA
303 v Aus - CW JA SB MA SF RB

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Old 6th February 2015, 15:03   #927
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Akram is the best fastest bowler ever.
Debatable, but very possibly the best to have played county cricket in the North of England
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Old 9th February 2015, 16:03   #928
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Debatable, but very possibly the best to have played county cricket in the North of England
Not even that.
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One of those ways has not been on show that often in the World Cup - the yorker. Although it is the go-to delivery for bowlers hoping to do damage control at the end of an innings, it has made only sparse appearances, especially in the South African attack. Steyn isn't sure that will change at Eden Park against Pakistan.

"It's a difficult delivery to bowl. I think it's even more difficult to bowl now because we've brought two new balls into the game, which is great because it does swing up front, but a couple years ago when you only used one ball, when you bowled a yorker in the 45th over the ball was 45-overs old," Steyn said. "It was slightly softer, and not as easy to get away. Now the ball is 25-overs old, it's still pretty hard and pretty new. If you missed your yorker by just that much, it travels a long way in the field like we've got out here today. If you missed your yorker bowling straight, the straight boundaries are 40-odd meters. That is a chip and it's six. So bowlers tend to get nervous about using the yorker."

Instead, bowlers have to rely more on tactics than technique at the death. "A lot of mocking has come in - just trying to fake where you're going to bowl. Set a leg-side field and bowl a wide yorker, that kind of thing," Steyn said. "You're trying to outsmart batters. We're starting to realise if bowlers can go at eight runs an over in the last 10 overs, you're actually doing a pretty good job."
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In this World Cup bowling speeds from Cricinfo

Bowlers 85+ and their fastest ball.

96.0 - Riaz
94.9 - Milne
94.8 - Starc
94.1 - Cummins
93.4 - Broad
93.3 - Johnson
93.1 - Morkel
92.7 - Steyn
92.6 - Yadav, Irfan,
92.2 - J Taylor
92.0 - Abbott
91.8 - R Hossain
91.6 - Jordan
91.5 - Chameera
91.4 - S Khan
91.3 - Hassan
90.9 - Zadran
90.7 - R Hossain
90.6 - Shami, Boult
90.5 - Parnell, Woakes
90.4 - Russell, Anderson
90.2 - Finn
90.0 - R Ali
89.9 - T Ahmed
89.8 - Southee, Chatara,
89.4 - C Anderson
89.0 - Hazlewood
88.5 - Roach
88.2 - Holder, Sharma
88.0 - Malinga
87.8 - Lakmal
87.5 - Naveed, Sammy, Mortaza
87.3 - Marsh
87.2 - Zadran
87.1 - Wardlaw
86.8 - Perera
86.7 - Faulkner
86.6 - Evans
86.3 - Philander
86.0 - Alam
85.9 - Javed
85.6 - Mire, Watson
85.5 - Panyangara
85.0 - Mooney

Economy bowling the last 4 overs
(rough as I didn't check it twice)

Australia 4.12
South Africa 5.0
India 6.39
Afghanistan 7.18
England 7.39
Pakistan 7.76
Sri Lanka 7.93
New Zealand 7.99
West Indies 8.62
UAE 8.87
Bangladesh 9.67
Ireland 10.22
Scotland 10.60
Zimbabwe 12.35

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I wonder what went wrong with the technology when Broad clocked 93.4 mph.

There's not an associate nation with a bowler called Broad is there?
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Old 15th March 2015, 22:05   #932
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I wonder what went wrong with the technology when Broad clocked 93.4 mph.

There's not an associate nation with a bowler called Broad is there?
Suprised to see Finn up there at 90 as well.
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Fastest ball - quarters/semis and finals
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(blue -left arm, underlined 15+ wickets)

95.6 Starc
94.9 Riaz
94.7 Johnson

93.0 Milne
92.7 Yadav
91.5 Taylor
93.2 Morkel
93.1 Steyn
92.6 Hazlewood
90.9 R Hossain, Boult
90.5 Shami
90.2 Henry
89.9 Chameera
89.6 Southee
89.5 Russell
89.0 Ali
88.8 Sharma, Ahmed
88.6 Adil, Philander
87.9 Faulkner
87.6 Anderson
87.3 S Khan
87.1 Malinga
86.7 Abbott
85.9 Watson
85.2 Holder

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England's bowling under the various coaches

Troy Cooley May 03 - Dec 05
136 wickets at 27.54 econ 3.11 s/r 53.1 - Harmison
123 wickets at 28.24 econ 3.02 s/r 55.9 - Flintoff
118 wickets at 27.72 econ 3.37 s/r 49.2 - Hoggard
54 wickets at 27.87 econ 3.53 s/r 47.2 - Jones
35 wickets at 36.40 econ 3.75 s/r 58.1 - Anderson

Kevin Shine Mar 06 - June 07
56 wickets at 29.91 econ 2.94 s/r 60.9 - Hoggard
51 wickets at 37.19 econ 3.46 s/r 64.4 - Harmison
34 wickets at 34.44 econ 3.15 s/r 65.4 - Flintoff
11 wickets at 44.72 econ 3.95 s/r 67.9 - Anderson

Allan Donald Jun 07 - Sep 07
14 wickets at 35.57 econ 3.40 s/r 62.7 - Anderson
13 wickets at 29.69 econ 2.69 s/r 66.0 - Tremlett
8 wickets at 37.87 econ 2.58 s/r 87.7 - Sidebottom

Ottis Gibson Oct 07 - Jan 10
88 wickets at 32.89 econ 3.25 s/r 60.5 - Anderson
73 wickets at 34.36 econ 3.20 s/r 64.3 - Broad
53 wickets at 27.37 econ 2.76 s/r 59.3 - Sidebottom
29 wickets at 38.00 econ 2.76 s/r 82.3 - Flintoff
25 wickets at 28.52 econ 3.63 s/r 47.0 - Onions
21 wickets at 41.57 econ 3.30 s/r 75.5 - Harmison
8 wickets at 44.50 econ 3.49 s/r 76.5 - Hoggard
3 wickets at 32.33 econ 3.12 s/r 62.0 - Bresnan

No bowling coach to Bangladesh March 2010

David Saker Apr 2010 -
84 wickets at 22.70 econ 2.78 s/r 48.9 - Anderson
49 wickets at 24.97 econ 2.69 s/r 55.5 - Broad
46 wickets at 25.41 econ 3.96 s/r 38.3 - Finn
36 wickets at 24.22 econ 3.07 s/r 47.2 - Tremlett
31 wickets at 20.80 econ 2.87 s/r 43.4 - Bresnan
All our bowlers started well with Saker. Their final figures

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...s;type=bowling

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Hi, can I point out that Troy Cooley was bowling coach until March 06, including the India away series. As I walked into the ground ahead of that game he was there along with members of the commentary team (still in England tracksuit, he would join the Aussies after that series). Geoff Boycott was calling out loudly to all and sundry that as Cook had been ruled out through illness that some of the England fans should strap their pads on. Of course in response we said to Geoffrey that he should!
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Interesting article regarding the challenge of getting good bowlers to improve even more, which has proved to be less than a resounding success.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...g-james-harris
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I was looking at bowling figures at Wankhede Stadium and came across Micheal Clarke's 6 wickets. Is this the best average at a ground?

1.50 econ 1.42 s/r 6.3
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Depends on your qualification. There must be bowlers who took a wicket or two for no runs on various grounds and only played there once. If you're demanding 5+ wickets it might be.
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Cricinfo Poll

Who's your favourite among contemporary fast bowlers?

Dale Steyn - 44.93% - 25066
Junaid Khan - 11.65% - 6501
Mitchell Starc - 10.88% - 6071
Mitchell Johnson - 8.63% - 4815
James Anderson - 7.45% - 4158
Trent Boult - 6.81% - 3801
Lasith Malinga - 3.73% - 2078
Ishant Sharma - 2.62% - 1464
Steven Finn - 0.93% - 518
Tim Southee - 0.89% - 495
Morne Morkel - 0.71% - 394
Kemar Roach - 0.41% - 229
Stuart Broad - 0.35% - 193
Total votes: 55783

I can't believe Broad got so few votes and Junaid Khan so many.
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A recent BBC poll had Jimmy ahead of Dale Steyn. I guess it depends on who you support who you vote for.
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