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However, it all seems fairly pointless. |
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#942 |
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The BBC is a British institution so more parochial. Cricinfo is international. Dale Steyn would get a lot of support from neutral voters.
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#943 |
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Steyn strike rate 41.58. Lohmann, Ferris and Bond played less than 18 Tests so Steyn has the best strike rate in the history of the game.
Fast bowlers wickets of batsmen 1-3, 4-7, 8-11 (fast bowlers 400+ wickets) 225-196-142 - McGrath (563) 177-179-163 - Walsh (519) 175-136-123 - Kapil Dev (434) 158-144-129 - Hadlee (431) 150-147-124 - Pollock (421) 132-137-145 - Akram (414) 155-157-105 - Anderson (413) 147-146-112 - Ambrose (405) 128-144-130 - Steyn (402) Akram 35% and Steyn 32.3% the best bowlers bowling at the tail. McGrath 40% and Kapil Dev 40.3% the bowlers against the top order Anderson 37.8% and Ambrose 36% the best against the middle order. Last edited by 1000yardstare : 20th October 2015 at 16:56. |
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#944 |
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Wahab Riaz isn't even there?
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#945 | |
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I was watching an old episode of Pointless and two lads picked 'cricket' as their final category, back when you only got one question/subcategory. It was name bowlers who have taken 300+ wickets. The pair picked good bowlers, but Shoaib Akhtar, Jim Laker and the other one they picked didn't play enough Tests, I think Shoaib became a bit more of a one day specialist. My calls were Marshall (pointless), Donald (also pointless) and I can't remember who the 3rd was but he wasn't listed as pointless. I also considered other pointless answers like Waqar, but my point is only in recent years have players played enough Tests to take much over 300 wickets and it's more longevity of career than quality of bowler to reach the landmark people haveh ard ons over Jimmy |
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#948 | |
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In fairness I probably should have expanded on "recent years" as being 80s onwards, but since it was the end of my lunch break I didn't have any time to check read or anything else, when you aren't able to take your time you can say or post something that you know what you meant but you don't make it 100% clear. Of those with over 300 wickets for England 3 played in the 80s or later, and SIX out of the top 10 wicket takers for England played into the 80s or later including FOUR in the 00s. Without checking exact maths, Bedser and Trueman look the closest to 5 wickets per match, the rest around 4 or less. Those up to taking 4+ wickets per match, even 5, would still have to play 60+ Tests to reach 300 and more to reach 400. Doesn't really matter what residual records existed when Botham retired, most records are pushed down eventually and reshaped as athletes get quicker/fitter, pitches get flatter, careers last longer etc. And as I've probably said before the batsman regarded as the best ever, averaging all but 100, is nowhere near the top of the runs charts. Point being people bang on about Anderson as "best ever" and such, he has been a good steady bowler, but doesn't make him the best because he's got most wickets and I'd say he isn't the best English bowler. |
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#949 | |
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A rubbish bowler wouldn't get 100+ Tests, 50 perhaps (Giles). |
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I should point out that of the last 15 tests, 12 were played in England and the other 3 against a mediocre WINDIES side. So, considering he'll need to play away from home over the next little bit, he won't average nearly as low (being more a conditions bowler than bowlers like Steyn are.)
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#951 | |
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The exceptions were Flintoff (2.8), Snow (4.1), Swann (4.3, to my surprise), Trueman and Bedser (both 4.6). So clearly the number of tests played is a dominant factor (surprise, surprise), which means frequency and longevity matter. Thos with the longest test careers (13+ years) are in descending order: Underwood, Botham, Statham, Trueman, Willis. Despite taking wickets at roughly similar rates per match, the old timers had to play at the top level for much longer. Contrast that with Broad: his wickets per match is relatively low at 3.6; he's played for relatively short 8 years, yet he's on 299 wickets already.
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Bit like Broad's good fortune to bowl so much against this Aussie side
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Indeed, particularly with Anderson being absent in this test.
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#955 | |
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![]() Steyn, Anderson and Johnson can't have that many years left and they'd have to take 50 wickets a year to reach those milestones (600/500/400). That's not something they do that often. I can see Anderson and Steyn reaching 500 with a year or two while their form tails off at the end. But Johnson I have a feeling will significantly lose effectiveness with pace and will have a quicker end to his career in the next couple of years. Hope I'm wrong on all and they continue for a long time. |
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#957 |
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Do bowlers wickets tail off as they get older?
Steyn - career 5.02 2012 - 10 Tests 39 wickets - 3.9 wickets per Test 2013 - 9 Tests 51 wickets - 5.66 2014/5 - 11 Tests 52 wickets - 4.72 Johnson - career 4.31 2012 - 2 Tests 12 wickets 2013 - 6 Tests 34 wickets - 5.66 2014/5 - 15 Tests 66 wickets - 4.40 Anderson - career 3.85 2012 - 14 Tests 48 wickets - 3.42 2013 - 14 Tests 52 wickets - 3.71 2014/5 - 16 Tests 73 wickets - 4.56 McGrath 4.54. In 05 (13) it was 4.76 In 06 (5) 3.60 In 07 (1) 6.00 He felt his body was up to it at the age of 37. |
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#958 |
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Surprised Steyn's 32. he doesn't seem to have been around that long.
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Nathan Lyon is well on the way to a pretty decent career.
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