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Old 27th April 2019, 08:29   #1341
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Lol. Where I see an interesting discussion about the spirit of cricket and the deterioration of behaviour I Shall start a new thread about that specific subject.
Well that's what Sir C did, so why's that a problem?

Anyhow, has anyone asked you to change your posting habits?
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Old 27th April 2019, 10:19   #1342
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Lol. Where I see an interesting discussion about the spirit of cricket and the deterioration of behaviour I Shall start a new thread about that specific subject.
Ah Sir V - you have fallen foul of Ali TTís golden rule - you have posted something positive about an England player. Tsk tsk - you really should know bette than that.

Try posting about how innovative India are e.g. by inventing Hawkeye and bringing back the art of Mankading - youíll then avoid his ire.
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Old 27th April 2019, 10:47   #1343
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Try posting about how innovative India are e.g. by inventing Hawkeye and bringing back the art of Mankading - you’ll then avoid his ire.
Roflol - so says the guy who has a bug up his **** about anything India or Indian - even the Indian lager that is diagracefully going to be served at English grounds.
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Old 27th April 2019, 14:00   #1344
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Ah Sir V - you have fallen foul of Ali TTís golden rule - you have posted something positive about an England player. Tsk tsk - you really should know bette than that.

Try posting about how innovative India are e.g. by inventing Hawkeye and bringing back the art of Mankading - youíll then avoid his ire.
Hawkeye was invented in the UK.

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Roflol - so says the guy who has a bug up his **** about anything India or Indian - even the Indian lager that is diagracefully going to be served at English grounds.
The irony of the post by that poster on this thread is not lost on me, but we should be careful as he'll accuse us of being the same person.
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Old 28th April 2019, 14:51   #1345
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Well that's what Sir C did, so why's that a problem?

Anyhow, has anyone asked you to change your posting habits?
Iíve definitely asked him to stop moving goalposts...

Anyway can we stick to the cricket please and play nicely. Thank you.
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Old 6th June 2019, 09:28   #1346
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Mo flying the multicultural flag in the Guardian today:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/bl...en-ali-cricket
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Old 13th August 2019, 17:27   #1347
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Mo to take a break from cricket after being dropped from the test side. I suspect his world cup teammates still playing might envy him.
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Old 14th August 2019, 22:20   #1348
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Poor old Mo always seems to be the one dropped when several players are out of form. Jonny and Jos have been clueless with the bat of late too.
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Old 15th August 2019, 09:27   #1349
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Poor old Mo always seems to be the one dropped when several players are out of form. Jonny and Jos have been clueless with the bat of late too.
He does get recalled more than most too though, with Root and co expecting him to suddenly become better than he was last time. It's like a vicious cycle for him.
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Old 15th August 2019, 09:30   #1350
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He does get recalled more than most too though, with Root and co expecting him to suddenly become better than he was last time. It's like a vicious cycle for him.
Remind me of his bowling stats for his last spell in the side.
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Old 15th August 2019, 11:19   #1351
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Poor old Mo always seems to be the one dropped when several players are out of form. Jonny and Jos have been clueless with the bat of late too.
A victim of the ECB's scheduling as much as anything.

You can't expect players to keep performing at their best non-stop. They were quick enough to move an Ashes forward when it was the same year as a World Cup last time. Why not move this one back?
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Old 15th August 2019, 13:45   #1352
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He does get recalled more than most too though, with Root and co expecting him to suddenly become better than he was last time. It's like a vicious cycle for him.
Last time he was recalled he was better! Had a stellar 2018.
Although I think he is a long way from a recall - I expect Leach to make the spinners role his own.
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Old 16th August 2019, 07:59   #1353
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Last time he was recalled he was better! Had a stellar 2018.
Although I think he is a long way from a recall - I expect Leach to make the spinners role his own.
Since England had Giles in the side they've had a strong preference for an all-round middle order including a spinner. Made it very hard for Panesar to establish himself because he really couldn't bat, or field too well, and whilst he was better than Giles as a spinner this was always going to count against him.

Then England found Swann, perhaps underused his batting, but was the one quality spinner England had had for many a moon. It then went back to the old quest for a spinner with the Giles option giving England the security of someone who could bat even when their bowling was not always needed or firing.

Ali to be fair can score runs, we judge him on a higher level than most because he averages above 25 even if aided with not outs. His bowling is variable, not top quality regardless of any stats about most this, or first to that, he wouldn't be out of the side if he was as reliable as those pointing to such stats are trying to persuade.

Frankly if Ali is dropped you have to believe it isn't without good cause, perhaps taking the overall picture of his lack of impact against the aussies as much as looking at what happened in 2018 and 2019. England could easily have moved him down a place or two, the signs were there by his moving up and down the order, England trying to find a way for his inclusion to pay off.

His career average is still not great, mid 30s is a modest record, and maybe his exclusion and decision to take a break is what was necessary and inevitable.

I'm not convinced Leach will get an extended run, people won't forget what Ali is capable of doing and that he can bat 7-8 in the order, and all alternatives have had little goes and the next brought in

Adil Rashid might have made a single spinner spot his own, his batting isn't bad with a couple of fifties and only against West Indies (12) is his HS in a series lower than 33no, but he's not shown to be much more consistent as Ali despite 23 wickets in India and averaging under 31 at home to India and away in Sri Lanka
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Old 16th August 2019, 09:33   #1354
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To play on an unresponsive pitch the only spinner has to be able to bowl tight even if it is not "ripping" - Rashid is not capable of this so was never going to nail the position down.
As an aside I was a fan of Monty but IMO he became unselectable bot because of his batting but his fielding was simply unacceptable at international level - he dropped some vital chances in Australia.
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Old 16th August 2019, 09:42   #1355
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It is funny how moeen’s career is derided.

Averaging lower than tuffers and Giles with the ball and was clearly a better batsman. It is all very odd that people have it in for him. Especially when you consider that for most of his career there was simply no alternative. And no Rashid wasn’t an alternative.
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Old 16th August 2019, 09:50   #1356
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It is funny how moeenís career is derided.

Averaging lower than tuffers and Giles with the ball and was clearly a better batsman. It is all very odd that people have it in for him. Especially when you consider that for most of his career there was simply no alternative. And no Rashid wasnít an alternative.
I think it is only real Jock and Rebel who deride him. I think most of us simply see someone who looked shot last test with his woeful batting decline seemingly eroding his confidence and affecting his bowling. I'm sorry about that but I don't think there was much they could do. I have to say though, that his relative average has been helped by some very mediocre test match batting across the piece. He gives the ball a good rip, yes but he doesn't have the control or variety to get wickets on all but the most helpful pitches.

That he then put a poor performance last match when it should have been made for him to blast out the Aussies said for me where he state of mind was. Sad that he's had to take a break from the game but I think it is for the best. He's come back before. He may still come back again but I hope that it is when he's good to go with both bat and ball.
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Old 16th August 2019, 09:57   #1357
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He is completely done in. Plays all formats. Was the main man in both overseas tours and then it is falling apart. Hope he recovers.
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I don't suppose the World Cup was particularly physically exhausting for him, as he wasn't in the team towards the end. It looks to me that his confidence is shot. This seems to be a longstanding problem, though: we have heard time and again that he has problems thinking himself into the role of sole spinner, and at times that seems to have resulted in the selection of a second spinner just to make him feel OK. Whether or not the problem was caused by England picking him as a spinner when he thought he was a batsman, it is a longstanding problem, and as such I would be surprised if he plays international cricket again, especially now that it is clear that the current test selectors are willing to pick someone like Tredwell (i.e., Leach).
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The game is about mental fortitude almost more than technical ability. That’s why they call it test cricket.

Dress it up however you like but he’s not proved himself a reliable enough a performer across his England career, and at the age of 32 I think the selectors will rightly be looking elsewhere. He’s had some great games against India and South Africa, including a test hat trick, but also many quite average ones.

As I’ve said a number of times i think it’s a real shame that the England side has been so weak that they haven’t been able to afford Mo as a kind of bonus all rounder- he’d have been a useful addition for say Bell or Collingwood in the 10/11 side (two offies not withstanding).
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He is completely done in. Plays all formats. Was the main man in both overseas tours and then it is falling apart. Hope he recovers.
It's a question for another thread but they need to really consider how wise it is for players to play all formats. This affects the likes of Root (no t20s for me), Bairstow (probably rested from tests), Buttler (ditto) and Stokes consider taking him out from ODIs for the foreseeable future.

They will need to manage Archer too as he is a newcomer. I guess he may be one to use more strategically in test matches, in my opinion.
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