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Old 17th December 2013, 12:45   #2681
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England are in danger of sliding behind Australia in the world Test rankings if their humiliation continues in the rest of the Ashes series.

Australia will leapfrog them if they win the fourth Test in Melbourne after Christmas, a remarkable turnaround after they started the series in fifth, 15 ranking points behind England.

A 5-0 whitewash would lift Australia four points clear of England, and leave Cook's team only five ahead of Pakistan in fourth the last position that will earn a place in the inaugural World Test Championship which is due to be played in England in the summer of 2017.

A 3-0, 4-1 or 3-2 series defeat would allow England to stay ahead of Australia in third.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...ings-australia

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Old 17th December 2013, 13:21   #2682
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If we get whitewashed, do Aus go above Eng in the Test rankings?
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Yep, Aus go up to 3, England to 4, Pakistan to 5.
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Not sure if Rey is verifying the Guardian or the other way around, but seems so.

The ICC have a nice predictor here you can play with to see the combinations of what could happen.

I didn't realise the test championship was a real thing. Does add a bit of spice to the rankings, though the "tournament" itself might fizzle.
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Old 22nd December 2013, 21:29   #2683
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Test Rankings at 19 December 2013 (last done 13 Dec 2013)
After 3rd Test New Zealand v West Indies

Batsmen

13 (-1) - Bell
14 (-) - Cook
16 (-1) - Pietersen
18 (-1) - Trott
27 (+1) - Prior
35 (-1) - Root
57 (-) - Bairstow
73 (-) - Stokes
74 (-) - Broad
82 (+1) - Carberry
87 (-) - Compton
90 (-) - Swann
92 (-1) - Bresnan

Bowlers

9 (-) - Broad
14 (-1) - Anderson
15 (-1) - Swann
23 (-) - Finn
26 (-) - Bresnan
34 (-1) - Tremlett
36 (-) - Panesar
97 (-) - Stokes

Top 10 at 19 December 2013 (last done 13 Dec 2013)

Batsmen

1 (-) de Villiers
2 (-) Amla
3 (+2) Chanderpaul
4 (+2) Taylor
5 (-2) Clarke
6 (-2) Sangakkara
7 (-) Pujara
8 (-) Misbah-ul-Haq
9 (-) Smith
10 (-) Khan

Bowlers

1 (+1) Philander 912
2 (-1) Steyn
3 (-) Herath
4 (-) Ajmal
5 (+1) Harris
6 (+1) Siddle
7 (-2) Ashwin
8 (-) Ojha
9 (-) Broad
10 (-) Boult

All Rounders at 19 December 2013 (last done 13 Dec 2013)

1 (-) 396 Ashwin
2 (-) 362 Al Hasan
3 (-) 341 Kallis
4 (-) 331 Philander
5 (-) 279 Broad
6 (-) 251 Watson
7 (-) 234 Johnson
8 (-) 215 Swann
9 (-) 210 Siddle
10 NEW 202 Southee

Outside the 100 (last done 13 Dec)

Batting
137 (-2) - Woakes
152 (-3) - Patel
156 (-2) - Anderson
169 (-2) - Finn
182 (-3) - Tremlett
188 (+1) - Panesar
204 (-1) - Kerrigan

Bowling
104 (-) - Pietersen
111 (-) - Trott
117 (-) - Patel
118 (-) - Root
130 (-1) - Woakes
137 (-1) - Bell
139 (-1) - Kerrigan
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Old 22nd December 2013, 23:49   #2684
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Old 23rd December 2013, 12:57   #2685
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Philander has overtaken Steyn, who I think has been #1 since 2008? At least, that's when he reached #1, not sure if anyone overtook him temporarily. I can't remember when I looked at the points difference between #1 and #2 but at that time, I think Steyn was about 100 ahead of the rest. He's still 60 points ahead of Herath at #3 (and 20 behind Philanderer).
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Old 23rd December 2013, 13:52   #2686
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Philander has overtaken Steyn, who I think has been #1 since 2008? At least, that's when he reached #1, not sure if anyone overtook him temporarily. I can't remember when I looked at the points difference between #1 and #2 but at that time, I think Steyn was about 100 ahead of the rest. He's still 60 points ahead of Herath at #3 (and 20 behind Philanderer).
Steyn has been at number 1 for about 4 years now. July 09. Don't think anyone overtook him at any time till now.

ESPNcricinfo Overall, Steyn spent 186 Tests at No. 1, the second-most after Muralitharan.

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6 Philander 912
14 Steyn 908

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Old 24th December 2013, 00:53   #2687
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Best Ever Rankings for England and Australian players
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24 Pietersen (3 - 2006)
28 Clarke (1 - 2009)
48 Cook (2 - 2011)
59 Trott (2 - 2011)
77 Bell (3 - 2011)


45 Swann (2 - 2010)
68 Johnson(2 - 2009)
71 Siddle (3 - 2012)
73 Anderson (2 - 2011)
88 Harris (5 - 2013)

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Old 24th December 2013, 11:17   #2688
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Steyn has been at number 1 for about 4 years now. July 09. Don't think anyone overtook him at any time till now.

ESPNcricinfo Overall, Steyn spent 186 Tests at No. 1, the second-most after Muralitharan.

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6 Philander 912
14 Steyn 908
Thanks. There must have been some to and fro on the #1 after Steyn first reached in. Not a bad run though.
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Old 24th December 2013, 11:42   #2689
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Best Ever Rankings for England and Australian players
Highest ranking in brackets

24 Pietersen (3 - 2006)
28 Clarke (1 - 2009)
48 Cook (2 - 2011)
59 Trott (2 - 2011)
77 Bell (3 - 2011)


45 Swann (2 - 2010)
68 Johnson(2 - 2009)
71 Siddle (3 - 2012)
73 Anderson (2 - 2011)
88 Harris (5 - 2013)
What are the figures on the left?
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Old 24th December 2013, 11:47   #2690
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Old 24th December 2013, 12:28   #2691
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Thanks. There must have been some to and fro on the #1 after Steyn first reached in. Not a bad run though.
I have checked and Steyn has stayed at number 1 since July 09. He had first Swann and then Anderson sitting at number 2 for a long time. At one time I thought Ajmal would get to number one as he got closest on points. Quite amazing that Steyn stayed there for so long.

I don't know if Philander can because he is more likely to get injured.

In the time they have played together - 19 Tests

656.3-163-1792-102 ~ 17.56 econ 2.72 s/r 38.6 -9 5fers 2 10fers - Philander
704.5-175-2013-86 ~ 23.40 econ 2.85 s/r 49.1 - 3 5fers 1 10fer - Steyn
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Old 24th December 2013, 12:29   #2692
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Old 24th December 2013, 13:02   #2693
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I have checked and Steyn has stayed at number 1 since July 09. He had first Swann and then Anderson sitting at number 2 for a long time. At one time I thought Ajmal would get to number one as he got closest on points. Quite amazing that Steyn stayed there for so long.

I don't know if Philander can because he is more likely to get injured.

In the time they have played together - 19 Tests

656.3-163-1792-102 ~ 17.56 econ 2.72 s/r 38.6 -9 5fers 2 10fers - Philander
704.5-175-2013-86 ~ 23.40 econ 2.85 s/r 49.1 - 3 5fers 1 10fer - Steyn
Ha, I knew you would, but that wasn't my intention I was however referring to when he first got to #1 which was in April 2008. I've since checked as well and he was there for a week or so, tied with Murali, then dropped back to #2.

Here's a chart I made on the progress of the top 10 this year. Or at least, charting those that were in the top 10 at the start of the year. It's not easy to read, it's easier in Excel where you can hover over it to read the numbers directly. It's automated (and slow) so I haven't checked the numbers have come out right but it looks reasonable. Happy for suggestions on making it more useful. But you can see that Ajmal (purple) got closest around week 31.

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Best Ever Rankings for England and Australian players
Highest ranking in brackets

24 Pietersen (3 - 2006)
28 Clarke (1 - 2009)
48 Cook (2 - 2011)
59 Trott (2 - 2011)
77 Bell (3 - 2011)


45 Swann (2 - 2010)
68 Johnson(2 - 2009)
71 Siddle (3 - 2012)
73 Anderson (2 - 2011)
88 Harris (5 - 2013)
Great record for England's best batsman.
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Ha, I knew you would, but that wasn't my intention I was however referring to when he first got to #1 which was in April 2008. I've since checked as well and he was there for a week or so, tied with Murali, then dropped back to #2.

Here's a chart I made on the progress of the top 10 this year. Or at least, charting those that were in the top 10 at the start of the year. It's not easy to read, it's easier in Excel where you can hover over it to read the numbers directly. It's automated (and slow) so I haven't checked the numbers have come out right but it looks reasonable. Happy for suggestions on making it more useful. But you can see that Ajmal (purple) got closest around week 31.

Very nice. Can you do one for the last 4 years ?

How many different bowlers got to number 2 in the time Steyn was at number 1? Who were they and their closest points to Steyn?
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Very nice. Can you do one for the last 4 years ?

How many different bowlers got to number 2 in the time Steyn was at number 1? Who were they and their closest points to Steyn?
In theory, I can, but it's not trivial. At the moment it's in a spreadsheet with some very simple VB code that pulls the data from the ICC/Reliance website, one week at a time. It parses each page to extract the points for each player and dumps it in a spreadsheet for the graph. This can take quite a while, especially today with the site being slow, and blocks Excel during that time (so I can't do it at work too often ).

4 years will take quite a lot longer, maybe I'll leave it running overnight. I also need to tweak the code as some of the assumptions, such as players not leaving or entering the top 10, will fail over a longer period of time. I'll take a look at during the xmas break.
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In theory, I can, but it's not trivial. At the moment it's in a spreadsheet with some very simple VB code that pulls the data from the ICC/Reliance website, one week at a time. It parses each page to extract the points for each player and dumps it in a spreadsheet for the graph. This can take quite a while, especially today with the site being slow, and blocks Excel during that time (so I can't do it at work too often ).

4 years will take quite a lot longer, maybe I'll leave it running overnight. I also need to tweak the code as some of the assumptions, such as players not leaving or entering the top 10, will fail over a longer period of time. I'll take a look at during the xmas break.
Please don't go to all that trouble.
It's not desperate, need to know information.
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OK, I won't. But it is part of why we follow cricket so I disagree with it not being need to know.

It needs to be cleaned up anyway so I may take a look through it during the break. Main problem will be to get a useful visualisation from that much data. A line chart might look a bit like spaghetti, apart from Steyn's line.
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Great record for England's best batsman.
You clearly don't understand this data, do you?

The post you quoted showed that Pietersen had the best career high rating of any batsman on either side. The fact that two other batsmen had higher ratings at that point (2006- I'm guessing Ponting and Mohammed Yousuf) is a reflection on the quality of other batsmen around at that time and not a reflection on Pietersen at all.
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You clearly don't understand this data, do you?

The post you quoted showed that Pietersen had the best career high rating of any batsman on either side. The fact that two other batsmen had higher ratings at that point (2006- I'm guessing Ponting and Mohammed Yousuf) is a reflection on the quality of other batsmen around at that time and not a reflection on Pietersen at all.
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