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Old 7th January 2017, 06:22   #3561
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He has an extremely annoying face and had an exaggeratedly low average when Oz toured which made me want him to do badly. Thought he was their best bowler for most of that series, though. Seen him mentioned on the other thread as someone who's added a bit of pace to his game - is he quicker now than the low to mid 80 mph he was on that tour?
He looks like the young cousin you see at family gatherings who you ask if they've got a girlfriend yet.

He's consistently bowling around the 140km mark. His biggest improvement though his he doesn't bowl bad balls, overs or spells. Just keeps hitting that corridor.
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Old 7th January 2017, 07:55   #3562
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Good to see Hazelwood ranked as the highest current active pace bowler. He doesn't receive as much plaudits as Starc, but he's comfortably out-bowled him this summer. Doesn't bowl bad spells, doesn't go for runs, seams and swings it, gets wickets with the new ball. Could be the outright best quick in the world in the next year or so.
Perhaps, there isn't that much competition. It is a barren time for bowlers.
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Old 7th January 2017, 13:55   #3563
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Old 7th January 2017, 22:12   #3564
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Perhaps, there isn't that much competition. It is a barren time for bowlers.
South Africa would probably disagree.
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Old 8th January 2017, 07:25   #3565
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England looked to have a lot of good quick bowlers until the India tour too.
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Old 8th January 2017, 12:58   #3566
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15 (-) - Cook
28 (-) - Ali
35 (+1) - Stokes
54 (-1) - Bell
62 (-2) - Ballance
71 (-) - Buttler
75 (-1) - Hameed
76 (-1) - Jennings
81 (-1) - Woakes
91 (-1) - Hales
98 (+1) - Compton

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7 (-) - Broad
22 (-) - Stokes
25 (+2) - Woakes
31 (-1) - Ali
32 (-) - Finn
48 (+1) - Rashid
53 (+1) - Wood
90 (-1) - Root
95 (-) - Ansari
100 (-1) - Batty

Top 10 at 7 January 2017 (last done 31 Dec 2016)

Batsmen

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3 (-) Root
4 (-) Williamson
5 (-) Warner
6 (-) Azhar Ali
7 (+7) Khan
8 (+1) de Kock
9 (-1) de Villiers
10 (-3) Amla

Bowlers

1 (-) Ashwin
2 (-) Jadeja
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4 (-1) Herath
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All Rounders at 7 January 2017 (last done 31 Dec 2016)

1 (-) 482 Ashwin
2 (-) 405 Al Hasan
3 (-) 376 Jadeja
4 (-) 327 Stokes
5 (-) 312 Ali
6 (+1) 306 Philander
7 (-1) 283 Starc
8 (-) 232 Herath
9 (-) 219 Broad
10 (-) 205 Woakes

Outside the 100 (last done 31 Dec)
Batting
108 (-2) - Broad
109 (-1) - Dawson
113 (-) - Rashid
116 (-) - Vince
136 (-2) - Duckett
143 (-3) - Wood
153 (-3) - Patel
159 (-2) - Anderson
164 (-2) - Finn
172=(-3) - Ball
172=(-3) - Ansari
199 (-2) - Batty

Bowling
106 (-2) - Patel
109 (+1) - Dawson
116 (-) - Ball
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Old 9th January 2017, 16:11   #3567
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8 (-) Hales
9 (-) Shahzad
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2 (-) 347 Al Hasan
3 (-) 282 Afridi
4 (-) 268 Nabi
5 (-) 264 Bravo
6 (-) 262 Samuels
7 (-) 246 Duminy
8 (-) 241 Mathews
9 (-) 218 Borren
10 (-) 216 Shenwari

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121 (-1) Ali
127 (-) Billings
147 (-1) Stokes
152 (-1) Jordan
155 (-1) Woakes
159 (-2) Bairstow
180 (-5) Willey
246 (-1) Rashid
290 (-6) Plunkett
329 (-7) Topley
349 (-7) Parry
367=(-6) Mills
367=(-6) Dawson

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165 (-3) Topley
179 (-3) Parry
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Old 11th January 2017, 19:21   #3569
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England looked to have a lot of good quick bowlers until the India tour too.
Thats what a lot of the hype monkey on Sky wanted you to think but Stokes has never looked that good and is a pretty straightforward bowler, Woakes gets some swing but tha twas never gonna be good enough in asia, broad is not at his best and Jimmy was returning from an injury. I'm not sure how anyone could believe that was a stock of solid fast bowlers.
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Old 12th January 2017, 01:03   #3570
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Thats what a lot of the hype monkey on Sky wanted you to think but Stokes has never looked that good and is a pretty straightforward bowler, Woakes gets some swing but tha twas never gonna be good enough in asia, broad is not at his best and Jimmy was returning from an injury. I'm not sure how anyone could believe that was a stock of solid fast bowlers.
Easy to say that after a terrible tour of India and you've left out Wood although to be fair England mostly does too as he's made of balsa wood. Anyway, my point was that it depends a bit on when you look but that England doesn't have a bad set of quicks. I certainly wasn't suggesting that I thought that would be good enough to win in India.

I don't think Stokes is straightforward and he's quicker than most but he's not a terribly threatening bowler if he isn't swinging it.
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Old 12th January 2017, 01:29   #3571
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Easy to say that after a terrible tour of India and you've left out Wood although to be fair England mostly does too as he's made of balsa wood. Anyway, my point was that it depends a bit on when you look but that England doesn't have a bad set of quicks. I certainly wasn't suggesting that I thought that would be good enough to win in India.

I don't think Stokes is straightforward and he's quicker than most but he's not a terribly threatening bowler if he isn't swinging it.
Yeah we have a good set of quicks but with Jimmy in the twighlight of his career we could really do with a consistent opening bowler to replace him.

Agree about stokes he's a pretty average international bowler without reverse swing but he's one of the best in the world if the ball is reversing which is fine for the 4th quick in a team and England seem to have figured that out and not bowled him too much when there's no reverse which is good for his longevity.
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England need a bowler who can be penetrative on decks that aren't conducive to movement. Easier said than done of course, but certainly NZ have had the same predicament with Southee and Boult in that as they've returned from injuries, they've been extracting less movement from the pitch and have become less effective.

Wagner on the other hand has never wholly relied on movement and has looked by far the most dangerous of the Kiwi seam attack on flatter decks. You need a range of different types of seamer for a variety of wickets, particularly outside of England, NZ or RSA.
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Yeah we have a good set of quicks but with Jimmy in the twighlight of his career we could really do with a consistent opening bowler to replace him.

Agree about stokes he's a pretty average international bowler without reverse swing but he's one of the best in the world if the ball is reversing which is fine for the 4th quick in a team and England seem to have figured that out and not bowled him too much when there's no reverse which is good for his longevity.
That exacerbates the blow from Finn looking like he'll never quite be the bowler we'd hoped he might. Woakes will have a decent international career but will never be that effective outside of England/NZ imo. Think maybe England are hoping that at least one of the Currans will make the jump. Tom has a exceptional array of skills, Sam has the whippy action that suggests he'll develop some decent pace and is a left armer.

Not really sure who else there is as young bowlers around the County circuit who look like they might be able to step up to being good test opening bowlers. I know of a few talented young players - Fisher and Mahmood - but don't know much about them and they're perhaps too young to be able to see how good they'll actually end up.
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That exacerbates the blow from Finn looking like he'll never quite be the bowler we'd hoped he might. Woakes will have a decent international career but will never be that effective outside of England/NZ imo. Think maybe England are hoping that at least one of the Currans will make the jump. Tom has a exceptional array of skills, Sam has the whippy action that suggests he'll develop some decent pace and is a left armer.

Not really sure who else there is as young bowlers around the County circuit who look like they might be able to step up to being good test opening bowlers. I know of a few talented young players - Fisher and Mahmood - but don't know much about them and they're perhaps too young to be able to see how good they'll actually end up.
I can't see Finn coming back to be a consistent and decent international bowler let alone hit the heights that he has but I may be harsh there.

Wood being constantly injured doesn't help matters as he's a genuine quick bowler even if he hasn't set the world on fire internationally.

I'd fear for either Curran brother bowling in Australia at the end of the year but would like Sam if he continues to improve as he has been to be the long term replacement to Jimmy. Not sure Tom is really a test bowler he looks more suited to limited overs in the long term but it's obviously really early days for both.

If we're looking at the Ashes the other two Surrey quicks are a possibility if they have a good season and actually stay injury free although Footitts chance may have passed him by.

Having said that the ICC ranking say we have 4 quicks in the top 25 test bowlers so there's no worries :-)
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I can't see Finn coming back to be a consistent and decent international bowler let alone hit the heights that he has but I may be harsh there.

Wood being constantly injured doesn't help matters as he's a genuine quick bowler even if he hasn't set the world on fire internationally.

I'd fear for either Curran brother bowling in Australia at the end of the year but would like Sam if he continues to improve as he has been to be the long term replacement to Jimmy. Not sure Tom is really a test bowler he looks more suited to limited overs in the long term but it's obviously really early days for both.

If we're looking at the Ashes the other two Surrey quicks are a possibility if they have a good season and actually stay injury free although Footitts chance may have passed him by.

Having said that the ICC ranking say we have 4 quicks in the top 25 test bowlers so there's no worries :-)
The rankings are often dubious at best but also, with such a lack of quality pace bowlers around, the rankings dont matter. Out of curiosity, who are those bowlers?
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Batsmen

3 (-) - Root
13 (-) - Bairstow
14 (+1) - Cook
29 (-1) - Ali
38 (-3) - Stokes
55 (-1) - Bell
61 (+1) - Ballance
69 (+2) - Buttler
74 (+1) - Hameed
76 (-) - Jennings
81 (-) - Woakes
91 (-) - Hales
99 (-1) - Compton

Bowlers

7 (-1) - Anderson
8 (-1) - Broad
22 (-) - Stokes
25 (-) - Woakes
30 (+1) - Ali
31 (+1) - Finn
48 (-) - Rashid
52 (+1) - Wood
92 (-2) - Root
97 (-2) - Ansari

Top 10 at 18 January 2017 (last done 7 Jan 2017)

Batsmen

1 (-) Smith
2 (-) Kohli
3 (-) Root
4 (-) Williamson
5 (-) Warner
6 (+4) Amla
7 (-1) Azhar Ali
8 (-1) Khan
9 (-1) de Kock
10 (-1) de Villiers

Bowlers

1 (-) Ashwin
2 (-) Jadeja
3 (-) Hazlewood
4 (-) Herath
5 (+3) Rabada
6 (-1) Steyn
7 (-1) Anderson
8 (-1) Broad
9 (-) Philander
10 (-) Starc

All Rounders at 18 January 2017 (last done 7 Jan 2017)

1 (-) 482 Ashwin
2 (-) 436 Al Hasan
3 (-) 376 Jadeja
4 (-) 327 Stokes
5 (-) 312 Ali
6 (-) 301 Philander
7 (-) 283 Starc
8 (-) 220 Herath
9 (-) 219 Broad
10 (-) 205 Woakes

Outside the 100 (last done 7 Jan)
Batting
108 (-) - Broad
110 (-1) - Dawson
114 (-1) - Rashid
117 (-1) - Vince
136 (-) - Duckett
143 (-) - Wood
153 (-) - Patel
161 (-2) - Anderson
166 (-2) - Finn
172 (-) - Ball
173 (-1) - Ansari
202 (-3) - Batty

Bowling
103 (-3) - Batty
110 (-4) - Patel
113 (-4) - Dawson
120 (-4) - Ball
134 (-4) - Bell
137 (-4) - Cook
138=(-4) - Vince
138=(-4) - Ballance
138=(-4) - Hales
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68 (-2) Roy
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Bowlers

26 (+2) Jordan
33 (-) Rashid
66 (-3) Willey
75 (-2) Plunkett
92 (+2) Stokes
94 (+1) Ali

Top 10 at 22 January 2017 (last done 9 Jan 2017)

Batsmen

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4 (-) Williamson
5 (-) du Plessis
6 (-) Guptill
7 (-) Root
8 (-) Hales
9 (-) Shahzad
10 (-) Masakadza

Bowlers

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4 (-) Imad Wasim
5 (-) Rashid Khan
6 (-) Ashwin
7 (-) Faulkner
8 (-) Abbott
9 (-) Narine
10 (-) Rahman

All Rounders at 22 January 2017 (last done 9 Jan 2017)

1 (-) 388 Maxwell
2 (-) 347 Al Hasan
3 (-) 282 Afridi
4 (-) 266 Nabi
5 (-) 264 Bravo
6 (-) 262 Samuels
7 (-) 245 Duminy
8 (-) 241 Mathews
9 NEW 214 Yuvraj
10 (-) 209 Shenwari

Outside the 100 (last done 9 Jan)
Batting
125 (-4) Ali
128 (-1) Billings
153 (-6) Stokes
158 (-6) Jordan
160 (-5) Woakes
169 (-10) Bairstow
189 (-9) Willey
259 (-13) Rashid
302 (-12) Plunkett
341 (-12) Topley
361 (-12) Parry
377=(-10) Mills
377=(-10) Dawson

Bowling
157 (-2) Woakes
169 (-4) Topley
186 (-7) Parry
197 (-6) Root
248 (-8) Dawson
250 (-7) Mills
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13 (-) - Bairstow
14 (-) - Cook
30 (-1) - Ali
37 (+1) - Stokes
55 (-) - Bell
62 (-1) - Ballance
70 (-1) - Buttler
75 (-1) - Hameed
77 (-1) - Jennings
81 (-) - Woakes
92 (-1) - Hales
99 (-) - Compton

Bowlers

7 (-) - Anderson
8 (-) - Broad
22 (-) - Stokes
25 (-) - Woakes
30 (-) - Ali
31 (-) - Finn
48 (-) - Rashid
52 (-) - Wood
93 (-1) - Root
99 (-2) - Ansari

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Batsmen

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2 (-) Kohli
3 (-) Root
4 (-) Williamson
5 (-) Warner
6 (-) Amla
7 (-) Azhar Ali
8 (-) Khan
9 (-) de Kock
10 (-) de Villiers

Bowlers

1 (-) Ashwin
2 (-) Jadeja
3 (-) Hazlewood
4 (-) Herath
5 (-) Rabada
6 (-) Steyn
7 (-) Anderson
8 (-) Broad
9 (-) Philander
10 (-) Starc

All Rounders at 24 January 2017 (last done 18 Jan 2017)

1 (-) 482 Ashwin
2 (-) 443 Al Hasan
3 (-) 376 Jadeja
4 (-) 327 Stokes
5 (-) 312 Ali
6 (-) 301 Philander
7 (-) 283 Starc
8 (-) 220 Herath
9 (-) 219 Broad
10 (-) 205 Woakes

Outside the 100 (last done 18 Jan)
Batting
108 (-) - Broad
111 (-1) - Dawson
115 (-1) - Rashid
118 (-1) - Vince
139 (-3) - Duckett
145 (-2) - Wood
155 (-2) - Patel
164 (-3) - Anderson
170 (-4) - Finn
177=(-5) - Ball
177=(-4) - Ansari
207 (-5) - Batty

Bowling
104 (-1) - Batty
111 (-1) - Patel
114 (-1) - Dawson
121 (-1) - Ball
136 (-2) - Bell
139 (-2) - Cook
140=(-2) - Vince
140=(-2) - Ballance
140=(-2) - Hales
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Batsmen

6 (+1) - Root
14 (-1) - Buttler
17 (+23) - Roy
22 (-4) - Hales
23 (+4) - Morgan
42 (+7) - Stokes
85 (-3) - Ali

Bowlers

8 (-3) - Rashid
18 (+4) - Woakes
24 (-5) - Ali
39 (-1) - Willey
60 (-4) - Stokes
63 (-8) - Plunkett
70 (-8) - Jordan
79 (-7) - Broad
89 (-3) - Wood
95 (-4) - Topley

Top 10 at 26 January 2017 (last done 31 Dec 2016)

Batsmen

1 (+2) Warner
2 (-1) de Villiers
3 (-1) Kohli
4 (-) de Kock
5 (-) Williamson
6 (+1) Root
7 (-1) Amla
8 (+2) Smith
9 (-1) Guptill
10 (+5) Babar Azam

Bowlers

1 (-) Boult
2 (+2) Starc
3 (-1) Tahir
4 (-1) Narine
5 (+5) Hazelwood
6 (-) Al-Hasan
7 (-) Henry
8=(-) Rabada
8=(-3) Rashid
10 (-) Nabi

Top 10 All rounders at 26 January 2017 - (last done 31 Dec 2016)

1 (-) Al Hasan 377
2 (-) Mathews 335
3 (-) Nabi 332
4 (-) Faulkner 315
5 NEW Hafeez 313
6 (-1) Marsh 287
7 (-1) Holder 267
8 (+1) Stokes 259
9 (-1) Jadeja 255
10 (-3) Ali 252

Outside the top 100 (last done 31 Dec)
Batting
105 (+7) - Bairstow
108 (-) - Woakes
117 (-1) - Rashid
146 (+10) - Billings
148 (+20) - Plunkett
175 (-10) Duckett
184 (+6) - Willey
222 (-9) - Vince
236 (-9) - Jordan
241 (-7) - Broad
259 (-10) - Wood
282 (-8) - Topley
300 (-20) - Ball
352 (-13) - Dawson

Bowling
101 (+33) - Ball
171 (-4) - Root
269 (-6) - Dawson
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