Cricket 24/7  

Welcome to the Cricket 24/7.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. There are also more forums available to members, such as the Lounge - where members chat about just about anything under the sun except cricket!

Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact contact us.


Go Back   Cricket 24/7 > Cricket Discussion Forums > International Cricket
Register FAQDonate Members List Calendar Casino Articles Terms of Use Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 8th December 2017, 07:50   #3701
MRNC4.0
International Cricketer
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Melbourne
Team(s): Victoria
Posts: 2,016
how far off is Cummins from breaking into the top 10 bowlers? Aus could end up with 4 bowlers inside the top ten by the end of the series. When did that last happen? Warne/McG/Lee/Gillespie?
MRNC4.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th December 2017, 11:11   #3702
Jock McTuffnel v3
World Class
 
Jock McTuffnel v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): England
Posts: 6,963
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000yardstare View Post
I suppose he is an all-rounder.
Woakes +13/+63
He's in the top 10 all rounders ranks now - which isn't saying much to be honest.

You basically need to be a bowler that stays fit and can swing the bat to make the odd 30.
__________________
Jock McTuffnel v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th December 2017, 14:24   #3703
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
Quote:
Originally Posted by MRNC4.0 View Post
how far off is Cummins from breaking into the top 10 bowlers? Aus could end up with 4 bowlers inside the top ten by the end of the series. When did that last happen? Warne/McG/Lee/Gillespie?
Cummins is at 43 (394)

I don't think all of Warne, McGrath, Gillespie and Lee have been in the top 10 at the same time. When the 3 of them were there, Lee got as high as 18.

1 905 Warne 29 Nov 94
1 914 McGrath 30 Dec 96
4 812 Gillespie 13 Oct 03
4 811 Lee 6 Jan 08

We had Anderson, Swann, Broad and Tremlett in the top 10 in 2011 and then Anderson, Swann, Broad, Bresnan with Tremlett at 11.
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 8th December 2017, 19:59   #3704
MRNC4.0
International Cricketer
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Melbourne
Team(s): Victoria
Posts: 2,016
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000yardstare View Post
Cummins is at 43 (394)

I don't think all of Warne, McGrath, Gillespie and Lee have been in the top 10 at the same time. When the 3 of them were there, Lee got as high as 18.

1 905 Warne 29 Nov 94
1 914 McGrath 30 Dec 96
4 812 Gillespie 13 Oct 03
4 811 Lee 6 Jan 08

We had Anderson, Swann, Broad and Tremlett in the top 10 in 2011 and then Anderson, Swann, Broad, Bresnan with Tremlett at 11.
Wow. Have anyone else had four bowlers simultaneously in the top ten in recent time? Yes I remember Lee peaking post Warne/McG era we he had the chance to lead the attack. He debuted in a very strong era for quick bowlers.
MRNC4.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 13th December 2017, 12:43   #3705
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
Test Rankings at 11 December 2017 (last done 6 Dec 2017)
2nd Test New Zealand v West Indies

Batsmen

3 (-) - Root
15 (-) - Cook
16 (-) - Bairstow
22 (-) - Stokes
30 (+1) - Ali
67 (-) - Ballance
80 (+1) - Woakes
81 (+1) - Buttler
82 (+1) - Stoneman
84 (-) - Hameed
97 (+1) - Jennings
99 (+1) - Malan

Bowlers

1 (-) - Anderson
12 (-) - Broad
24 (-1) - Stokes
25 (-) - Ali
28 (-) - Woakes
36 (-) - Finn
40 (-) - Roland-Jones
55 (-) - Rashid
70 (-1) - Wood
92 (+1) - Dawson
96 (-) - Overton
100 (-) - Root

Top 10 at 11 December 2017 (last done 6 Dec 2017)

Batsmen

1 (-) Smith
2 (-) Kohli
3 (-) Root
4 (-) Pujara
5 (-) Williamson
6 (-) Warner
7 (-) Amla
8 (-) Azhar Ali
9 (-) Chandimal
10 (+3) Taylor

Bowlers

1 (-) Anderson
2 (-) Rabada
3 (-) Jadeja
4 (-) Ashwin
5 (-) Herath
6 (-) Hazlewood
7 (-) Wagner
8 (-) Starc
9 (-) Lyon
10 (-) Steyn

All Rounders at 11 December 2017 (last done 6 Dec 2017)

1 (-) 438 Al Hasan
2 (-) 415 Jadeja
3 (-) 380 Stokes
4 (-) 369 Ashwin
5 (-) 352 Ali
6 (-) 319 Philander
7 (-) 313 Starc
8 (-) 216 Herath
9 (-) 208 Holder
10 NEW 206 Perera

Outside the 100 (last done 6 Dec)
Batting
110 (-) - Westley
116 (-) - Vince
121 (-1) - Broad
126 (-2) - Overton
129 (-1) - Rashid
155 (-1) - Duckett
156 (-1) - Roland-Jones
163 (-2) - Dawson
170 (-1) - Anderson
180 (-1) - Finn
184 (-1) - Ball
187 (-1) - Ansari
216 (-1) - Batty

Bowling
106 (-) - Ansari
111 (-) - Batty
118 (-1) - Ball
134 (-1) - Cook
135=(-1) - Ballance
135=(-1) - Jennings
135=(-1) - Malan
135=(-1) - Westley
135=(-1) - Vince
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2017, 08:40   #3706
Jock McTuffnel v3
World Class
 
Jock McTuffnel v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): England
Posts: 6,963
Root now down to 5th.
__________________
Jock McTuffnel v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2017, 11:40   #3707
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
Test Rankings at 18 December 2017 (last done 11 Dec 2017)
3rd Test Australia v England

Batsmen

5 (-2) - Root
15 (+1) - Bairstow
17 (-2) - Cook
22 (-) - Stokes
36 (-6) - Ali
52 (+47) - Malan
71 (-4) - Ballance
81 (+1) - Stoneman
83 (-3) - Woakes
84 (-3) - Buttler
90 (-6) - Hameed
98 (+18) - Vince

Bowlers

1 (-) - Anderson
15 (-3) - Broad
24 (-) - Stokes
27 (-2) - Ali
31 (-3) - Woakes
36 (-) - Finn
41 (-1) - Roland-Jones
55 (-) - Rashid
70 (-1) - Wood
89 (+7) - Overton
94 (-2) - Dawson
100 (-) - Root

Top 10 at 18 December 2017 (last done 11 Dec 2017)

Batsmen

1 (-) Smith
2 (-) Kohli
3 (+1) Pujara
4 (+1) Williamson
5 (-2) Root
6 (-) Warner
7 (-) Amla
8 (-) Azhar Ali
9 (-) Chandimal
10 (-) Taylor

Bowlers

1 (-) Anderson
2 (-) Rabada
3 (-) Jadeja
4 (-) Ashwin
5 (+1) Hazlewood
6 (-1) Herath
7 (-) Wagner
8 (-) Starc
9 (-) Lyon
10 (-) Steyn

All Rounders at 18 December 2017 (last done 11 Dec 2017)

1 (-) 438 Al Hasan
2 (-) 415 Jadeja
3 (-) 372 Stokes
4 (-) 369 Ashwin
5 (-) 326 Ali
6 (-) 319 Philander
7 (-) 306 Starc
8 (-) 216 Herath
9 (-) 208 Holder
10 (-) 206 Perera

Outside the 100 (last done 11 Dec)
Batting
102 (-5) - Jennings
113 (-3) - Westley
124 (-3) - Broad
128 (+1) - Rashid
154 (+1) - Duckett
156 (-) - Roland-Jones
157 (-31) - Overton
163 (-) - Dawson
170 (-) - Anderson
180 (-) - Finn
184 (-) - Ball
188 (-1) - Ansari
216 (-) - Batty

Bowling
107 (-1) - Ansari
112 (-1) - Batty
118 (-) - Ball
134 (-) - Cook
135=(-) - Ballance
135=(-) - Jennings
135=(-) - Malan
135=(-) - Westley
135=(-) - Vince
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2017, 11:44   #3708
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
Best Ever Rankings

1 Bradman 961
2= Hutton 945
2=Smith 945
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2017, 12:13   #3709
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
Points gained/lost

Malan +166
Vince +60
Overton +32
Bairstow +22
Stoneman +21
Anderson -2
Woakes -6/-19
Root -27
Cook -28
Ali -29/-16
Broad -42

M Marsh +108/-44
Paine +51
Hazelwood +38
Cummins +29/+26
Smith +7
Starc +7
Bancroft +7
Khawaja +5
Lyon -1
S Marsh -6
Warner -14
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2017, 13:41   #3710
Jock McTuffnel v3
World Class
 
Jock McTuffnel v3's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cambridge
Team(s): England
Posts: 6,963
Mitchell Starc could be the 5th best all rounder in test cricket by the end of the series.

What a time to be alive.
__________________
Jock McTuffnel v3 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2017, 14:11   #3711
sanskritsimon
Posting God
 
sanskritsimon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Team(s): Arkholme Bees, Hackney Grasshoppers, Holy Cross Academicals
Posts: 10,785
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000yardstare View Post
Points gained/lost ...

Anderson -2 ...
Interesting that although Anderson's performances in this series so far have been significantly better than those of any of our other bowlers, they seem to have been below par for him nonetheless.
sanskritsimon is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19th December 2017, 15:14   #3712
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jock McTuffnel v3 View Post
Mitchell Starc could be the 5th best all rounder in test cricket by the end of the series.

What a time to be alive.

1 Al Hasan 437
2 Ravindra Jadeja 414
3 Ben Stokes 372
4 Ravichandran Ashwin 368
5 Moeen Ali 325
6 Vernon Philander 318
7 Mitchell Starc 305
8 Rangana Herath 215
9 Jason Holder 208
10 Dilruwan Perera 205
11 Chris Woakes 195
12 Tim Southee 178
13 Kagiso Rabada 176
14 Stuart Broad 173
15 Colin de Grandhomme 155
16 Neil Wagner 154
17 Roston Chase 149
18 Pat Cummins 143
19 Trent Boult 142
20 JP Duminy 140

Cummins just has to improve his bowling to pass Starc as the better all rounder. He says he doesn't get the new ball and bowl at the tail so gets less wickets.

Starc 19 at 21.05 batting 8.25
Cummins 11 at 30.09 batting 46.00
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 20th December 2017, 03:44   #3713
MRNC4.0
International Cricketer
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Melbourne
Team(s): Victoria
Posts: 2,016
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000yardstare View Post
Cummins just has to improve his bowling to pass Starc as the better all rounder. He says he doesn't get the new ball and bowl at the tail so gets less wickets.

Starc 19 at 21.05 batting 8.25
Cummins 11 at 30.09 batting 46.00

He's also been given the role of 'enforcer' instructed to deliver a barrage of short pitch bowling, which I don't think is the best way to utilise him. I'd like to see him take the new ball at the 'G because he can zip it off the seam.
MRNC4.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 21st December 2017, 03:25   #3714
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
ODI Rankings 26 December 2017 (last done 17 Dec 2017)

Batsmen

7 (-) - Root
18 (-) - Hales
20 (-) - Morgan
21 (-) - Buttler
22 (-) - Stokes
32 (-) - Roy
48 (+2) - Bairstow
54 (+1) - Ali

Bowlers

9 (-) - Plunkett
12 (-) - Rashid
14 (-1) - Woakes
39 (-) - Finn
41 (+1) - Ali
47 (+1) - Wood
64 (-) - Stokes
66 (-) - Ball
68 (-) - Willey

Top 10 at 26 December 2017 (last done 17 Dec 2017)

Batsmen

1 (-) Kohli
2 (-) de Villiers
3 (-) Warner
4 (-) Babar Azam
5 (-) Sharma
6 (-) de Kock
7 (-) Root
8 (-) du Plessis
9 (-) Amla
10 (-) Williamson

Bowlers

1 (-) Hasan Ali
2 (-) Tahir
3 (-) Bumrah
4 (+3) Boult
5 (-1) Hazelwood
6 (-1) Rabada
7 (-1) Starc
8 (-) Rashid Khan
9 (-) Plunkett
10 (+4) Santner

Top 10 All rounders at 26 December 2017 - (last done 17 Dec 2017)

1 (-) Hafeez 353
2 (-) Al Hasan 346
3 (-) Mathews 321
4 (-) Nabi 316
5 (-) Stokes 293
6 (+1) Holder 282
7 (-1) Faulkner 280
8 (-) Ali 268
9 (-) Santner 265
10 (-) M Marsh 260

Outside the top 100 (last done 17 Dec)
Batting
103 (-) - Woakes
124 (-) - Rashid
139 (-2) - Billings
157 (-1) - Plunkett
185 (-1) - Willey
196 (-) - Duckett
242 (-1) - Vince
243 (-1) - Roland-Jones
246 (-1) - Wood
255 (-2) - Ball
334 (-4) - Curran

Bowling
159 (-3) - Root
235 (-4) - Curran
248 (-4)- Roland-Jones

Last edited by 1000yardstare : 2nd January 2018 at 02:29.
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st December 2017, 11:50   #3715
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
Test Rankings at 30 December 2017 (last done 18 Dec 2017)
4th Test Australia v England
1st Test South Africa v Zimbabwe

Batsmen

4 (+1) - Root
8 (+9) - Cook
16 (-1) - Bairstow
24 (-2) - Stokes
38 (-2) - Ali
56 (-4) - Malan
73 (-2) - Ballance
82 (+1) - Woakes
83 (-2) - Stoneman
86 (-2) - Buttler
90 (-) - Hameed
98 (-) - Vince

Bowlers

1 (-) - Anderson
14 (+1) - Broad
24 (-) - Stokes
28 (+3) - Woakes
29 (-2) - Ali
38 (-2) - Finn
42 (-1) - Roland-Jones
56 (-1) - Rashid
72 (-2) - Wood
91 (-2) - Overton
96 (+4) - Root
97 (-3) - Dawson

Top 10 at 30 December 2017 (last done 18 Dec 2017)

Batsmen

1 (-) Smith
2 (-) Kohli
3 (-) Pujara
4=(+1) Root
4=(-) Williamson
6 (-) Warner
7 (-) Amla
8 (+9) Cook
9 (-1) Azhar Ali
10 (-1) Chandimal

Bowlers

1 (-) Anderson
2 (-) Rabada
3 (-) Jadeja
4 (-) Ashwin
5 (-) Hazlewood
6 (-) Herath
7 (-) Wagner
8 (-) Starc
9 (-) Lyon
10 (+3) Morkel

All Rounders at 30 December 2017 (last done 18 Dec 2017)

1 (-) 438 Al Hasan
2 (-) 415 Jadeja
3 (+1) 369 Ashwin
4 (-1) 366 Stokes
5 (+1) 313 Philander
6 (-1) 309 Ali
7 (-) 300 Starc
8 (-) 216 Herath
9 (-) 208 Holder
10 (-) 206 Perera

Outside the 100 (last done 18 Dec)
Batting
102 (-) - Jennings
114 (-1) - Westley
121 (+3) - Broad
129 (-1) - Rashid
156 (-2) - Duckett
158 (-2) - Roland-Jones
159 (-2) - Overton
166 (-3) - Dawson
174 (-4) - Anderson
183 (-3) - Finn
188 (-4) - Ball
192 (-4) - Ansari
212 NEW - Curran
221 (-5) - Batty

Bowling
109 (-2) - Ansari
112 (-) - Batty
118 (-) - Ball
124 NEW - Curran
137 (-3) - Cook
138=(-3) - Ballance
138=(-3) - Jennings
138=(-3) - Malan
138=(-3) - Westley
138=(-3) - Vince
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st December 2017, 11:52   #3716
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
Best Ever Ratings

1 Bradman 961
2 Smith 947
3 Hutton 945
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 31st December 2017, 12:16   #3717
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
Points gained/lost

Cook +90
Broad +24
Woakes +6/+12
Root +3
Anderson -0
Curran 0
Vince -1
Ali -7/-22
Bairstow -10
Stoneman -11
Malan -13

Warner +30
Bancroft +21
M Marsh +6/-10
Smith +2
Lyon -2
Hazelwood -5
Paine -7
S Marsh -8
Cummins -23/+27
Khawaja -29
Bird -54
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th January 2018, 17:15   #3718
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
20/20 Rankings at 3 January 2018 (last done 10 Oct 2017)

Batsmen

8 (-1) Hales
9 (-1) Root
16 (-1) Morgan
19 (-) Buttler
30 (-) Roy
90 (+6) Bairstow

Bowlers

15 (-2) Jordan
23 (-) Plunkett
26 (-) Rashid
47 (+2) Willey
50 (+1) Ali
75 (-1) Stokes

Top 10 at 3 January 2018 (last done 10 Oct 2017)

Batsmen

1 (+17) Munro
2 (-) Finch
3 (-2) Kohli
4 (-1) Lewis
5 (+15) Rahul
6 (-) Maxwell
7 (-3) Williamson
8 (-1) Hales
9=(-1) Root
9=(+3) Amla

Bowlers

1 (+16) Sodhi
2 (-1) Imad Wasim
3 (+1) Rashid Khan
4 (-2) Bumrah
5 (+7) Santner
6=(-3) Tahir
6=(-) Badree
8 (-3) M Rahman
9=(-1) Faulkner
9=(-) Al Hasan

All Rounders at 3 January 2018 (last done 10 Oct 2017)

1 (-) 354 Al Hasan
2 (-) 330 Maxwell
3 (-) 275 Nabi
4 (-) 239 Samuels
5 (+3) 213 Duminy
6 (-) 202 Borren
7 (-2) 200 Mahmudullah
8 (+1) 193 Stirling
8 (+2) 193 Malik
10 NEW 189 Shenwari

Outside the 100 (last done 10 Oct)
Batting
122 (+5) Billings
126 (+7) Ali
128 (+7) Stokes
153 (+6) Jordan
178 (+9) Willey
187 (+8) Malan
221 (+7) Plunkett
223 (+8) Rashid
254=(+6) Dawson
254=(+6) Curran
275 (+5) Livingstone
293 (+16) Mills
303 (+17) Crane

Bowling
134 (+3) Curran
138 (+3) Mills
142 (+6) Dawson
157 (+2) Root
180 (+5) Crane
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th January 2018, 17:22   #3719
1000yardstare
Posting Goddess
 
1000yardstare's Avatar
JA 852 Cummins 149 Wagner 147 TCurran 21 SCurran 16
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: London
Posts: 21,144
ICC T20 Rankings
3 January 2018

1 New Zealand 126
2 Pakistan 124
3 India 121
4 England 119
5 West Indies 115
6 South Africa 112
7 Australia 111
8 Sri Lanka 88
9 Afghanistan 86
10 Bangladesh 76
11 Scotland 67
12 Zimbabwe 65
13 UAE 52
14 Netherlands 49
15 Hong Kong 46
16 Papua New Guinea 39
17 Oman 38
18 Ireland 36
1000yardstare is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 4th January 2018, 18:03   #3720
MRNC4.0
International Cricketer
 
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: Melbourne
Team(s): Victoria
Posts: 2,016
Quote:
Originally Posted by 1000yardstare View Post
ICC T20 Rankings
3 January 2018

1 New Zealand 126
2 Pakistan 124
3 India 121
4 England 119
5 West Indies 115
6 South Africa 112
7 Australia 111
8 Sri Lanka 88
9 Afghanistan 86
10 Bangladesh 76
11 Scotland 67
12 Zimbabwe 65
13 UAE 52
14 Netherlands 49
15 Hong Kong 46
16 Papua New Guinea 39
17 Oman 38
18 Ireland 36

How are Sri Lanka behind us?
MRNC4.0 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT +1. The time now is 04:02.



Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Cricket247.org