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Old 9th August 2018, 13:55   #381
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Isn't that the case for pretty much all the Indian batsmen bar one, though? Your delight should be at playing India, period!
Ha! Thatís partly true, but Iíd think Vijay, Rahane and Rahul are all more dangerous batsmen in England than Pujara.
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Old 9th August 2018, 16:41   #382
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Ha! Thatís partly true, but Iíd think Vijay, Rahane and Rahul are all more dangerous batsmen in England than Pujara.
I was jesting (though sadly only partly!)

I agree those 3 look to have the technique to succeed in England. I do worry that Vijay is past it and who knows if Rahul is good enough - plenty of young cricketers and sportsmen in general look very talented early on without quite converting their talent (I always think back to how supreme JP Duminy looked in his debut Test series - and how things ended up for him). I do hope Rahul kicks on because he does seem to be an incredible talent, but maybe its illusory?

That's why I think only Rahane is genuinely underperforming his potential at the moment. He's made some tough, match-shaping runs away from Asia but at the moment looks completely devoid of confidence.
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Old 9th August 2018, 18:02   #383
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Vijay generally tends to start well and then peter out as tours progress. This time, he's decided to start so poorly, he can only be either consistent or improve as the tour progresses. With Rahul, he's got the technique, but I always have doubts over his temperament. He usually gets out playing shots which he shouldn't, and that mostly results from not being able to control your instincts. As for Rahane, he's been mismanaged for so long that recovery seems pretty difficult.
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Old 9th August 2018, 19:42   #384
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I was jesting (though sadly only partly!)

I agree those 3 look to have the technique to succeed in England. I do worry that Vijay is past it and who knows if Rahul is good enough - plenty of young cricketers and sportsmen in general look very talented early on without quite converting their talent (I always think back to how supreme JP Duminy looked in his debut Test series - and how things ended up for him). I do hope Rahul kicks on because he does seem to be an incredible talent, but maybe its illusory?

That's why I think only Rahane is genuinely underperforming his potential at the moment. He's made some tough, match-shaping runs away from Asia but at the moment looks completely devoid of confidence.
I think Vijay, Rahane and Karthick, albeit for one Test, are underperforming.
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Old 10th August 2018, 16:19   #385
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I think Vijay, Rahane and Karthick, albeit for one Test, are underperforming.
To be honest, Karthik's always been a mediocre player at international level - no doubt some big successes like the 2007 tour of England and that T20 against Bangladesh but overall pretty ordinary. Very talented player but perhaps mentally not confident about his ability at the top level.

Vijay - I don't know. Is it just age catching up with him? With all due respect to him, he's a good rather than great player so it might be a quick slide down.
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Old 13th August 2018, 08:38   #386
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I'd love to draft in some newbies to the team, but I wonder if that's the way to go, especially with the team 0-2 down. There might be too much pressure on the newcomers to perform. Of course, if they do, the confidence they will get from it will be immense, but I just am not very sure if throwing some newbies into the mix is good at the moment.

I would go with not much changes to the third test, except Umesh for Kuldeep and probably Jadeja for Pandya.
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Old 13th August 2018, 12:21   #387
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Yeah, I’m not sure either. Also, just look at what’s happening with Rahul - who’s our most talented young batsman. When an entire top order worth of batsmen excluding one are averaging less than 20 over five away Tests, there is a deep, structural problem at the heart of a country’s system that can’t be explained just by individual player inadequacies.

I see no reason Shaw, Agarwal, Vihari etc won’t go down the same sorry way as the current set of players. Remember the good old days when the quartet of Kohli, Pujara, Rahane and Sharma was hailed as the next Dravid/Sachin/Laxman? Kohli has surprisingly lived up to the promise but that’s about it.
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Old 13th August 2018, 17:31   #388
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The thing is the likes of KL Rahul and Pandya are always up there amongst the most runs scored/wickets taken in the IPL, maybe they're just T20 specialists not suited to the longer format of the game. Should have kept U Yadav in the team, thought he was pretty decent for you in the first test and you're also badly missing B Kumar and Bumrah, those two I was impressed with in the Saffers series.
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Old 13th August 2018, 23:06   #389
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Kumar is a big miss I agree - bit unfortunate he was injured in the one tour where his bowling (and batting!) would have been very useful.

But injuries happen, teams have suffered much worse. There's a much deeper problem in Indian cricket, wherein we seem unable to produce mentally tough and adaptable cricketers despite almost limitless resources (obviously, Kohli is an exception. Whatever his other myriad flaws, his success is in a large part down to his mental strength. Even when you compare him with the other batting greats of this era, Williamson & Root are far stronger technically and whilst Smith has a strange looking technique, nothing gets past him. Kohli on the other hand is still technically deficient outside his off-stump).
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We need 15 players who will see performing in test cricket as the pinnacle of success. I doubt if we have many who actually think in that manner. I can only assume we don't have many.
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