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Old 8th January 2018, 10:59   #1341
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Shaun occasionally pulls a wonder innings out of his arse before reverting back to being terrible, so it wasn't as big a surprise. But I never thought i'd see Mitch make a test 180 against even Zimbabwe, let alone in an Ashes.
Which is why you are not a selector
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Old 8th January 2018, 13:24   #1342
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Which is why you are not a selector
Oh yeah, because you would have kept picking Mmarsh despite averaging 20 after 21 tests? Flog.
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Old 8th January 2018, 15:00   #1343
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I think England made the Marsh brothers look like Bradman and Sobers.
I remember Shaun once playing a ludicrously good ODI innings against us too.

I'd assume it's something to do with playing England and leave him out of the SA Tour where he will undoubtedly fail.

As for MMarsh, words fail me.......but it would be fair to say his tons came in pretty much zero pressure situations against beaten and tired bowling attacks. Again, leave out of SA tour!!
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Old 8th January 2018, 18:35   #1344
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No! Please continue to select both and make sure they are inked in to the XI for the Ashes in 2019.
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Old 8th January 2018, 18:45   #1345
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So, Aussie friends. Do you feel that this Aussie side is going to progress on to great things or when going overseas to England or Asia once more, will it come up short as it has many times since the last time you gave us a good drubbing?
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Old 8th January 2018, 19:37   #1346
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So, is there a chance that we were all wrong (I'm presuming everyone else has also been trashing him for the past 3 years as well?) about Mitch Marsh and he in fact is an decent test cricketer? My judgement has become so poor in this regard, especially when it involves a Marsh, that I don't know what to think anymore and increasingly believe that I know nothing about Cricket.
All rounders do tend to get picked a bit early based on potential because of the desire to balance the team. I always thought Mitch got a rough deal on here and was more talented than his numbers. I think the next step is for him to add 5mph to his bowling now he has some runs in the bank. Shaun just seems more comfortable down the order, a bit like Bell was for us.
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Old 8th January 2018, 19:38   #1347
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So, Aussie friends. Do you feel that this Aussie side is going to progress on to great things or when going overseas to England or Asia once more, will it come up short as it has many times since the last time you gave us a good drubbing?
I'm pretty sure they will continue to struggle away from home like the rest of the nations in world cricket.
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Old 9th January 2018, 01:10   #1348
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So, Aussie friends. Do you feel that this Aussie side is going to progress on to great things or when going overseas to England or Asia once more, will it come up short as it has many times since the last time you gave us a good drubbing?
We've improved in Asia, unlike England who simply role over and die there, and we have the bowlers who can take 20 wickets, so why not? Need to find an opener to partner Warner to be consistently competitive abroad though.

I fear for England post-Anderson. Even on a swinging deck, i'd take any 3 of Cummins, Starc, Pattinson & Hazelwood over a declining Broad (if he's still there) Curran, Overton.. Ball.. Wood? Who are mostly dreadful and not anywhere in the same class as Anderson. Again, we need to find another bat or 2 before then, but I like our chances of catching a poor England side in a period of transition.
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Old 9th January 2018, 01:12   #1349
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No! Please continue to select both and make sure they are inked in to the XI for the Ashes in 2019.
Will do, as long as you promise to keep selecting vince, stoneman, curran, ball & crane. And keep the drinking culture up too. No way Shaun Marsh will not be either injured/dropped or retired by then though.
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Old 9th January 2018, 09:02   #1350
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We've improved in Asia, unlike England who simply role over and die there, and we have the bowlers who can take 20 wickets, so why not? Need to find an opener to partner Warner to be consistently competitive abroad though.

I fear for England post-Anderson. Even on a swinging deck, i'd take any 3 of Cummins, Starc, Pattinson & Hazelwood over a declining Broad (if he's still there) Curran, Overton.. Ball.. Wood? Who are mostly dreadful and not anywhere in the same class as Anderson. Again, we need to find another bat or 2 before then, but I like our chances of catching a poor England side in a period of transition.
Can't disagree with that, I guess the only hope is that it's unlikely that pace group will all be fit and firing at the same time again, especially as the next Ashes comes straight after a World Cup.

At least Anderson and Broad will come in fresh.
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Old 9th January 2018, 09:28   #1351
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A certain batsman and pt offspinner should have been chosen instead of M Marsh based on recent away and domestic form, but it seems he isn't one of the boys. Also doesn't train smart enough apparently lol.

It's true M Marsh succeeded on benign wickets against a beaten down attack, but he can do no more than play in conditions provided. Would be great if he kicked on from this into a batting all rounder. A genuine no.6 who can bowl a bit of 130 kph seam up would be great.

S Marsh was always more likely to succeed and has played some great innings. Inconsistency and constantly being injured haven't helped him at all. A far better all round batsman than Kawhaja for instance, so considering our general lack of batting talent his selection was less surprising.

Looking forward to the SA series. Our batting is iffy but we have the bowling to be competitive if they can stay fit.

A series in England right now would be competitive. With Broad and Anderson getting on a bit, who knows? Looking forward to Strauss panicking and ordering a greentop again lol. We have to get one of those tosses eventually and even if we don't, still entertaining.
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Old 9th January 2018, 09:46   #1352
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A series in England right now would be competitive. With Broad and Anderson getting on a bit, who knows? Looking forward to Strauss panicking and ordering a greentop again lol. We have to get one of those tosses eventually and even if we don't, still entertaining.
Why would he not order up 5 greentops? I still have issues from 2015 that Lord's and Oval effectively served up Aussie wickets.
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Old 9th January 2018, 10:08   #1353
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At least Anderson and Broad will come in fresh.
Haha, that's rich, presuming both'll still be there. It's pretty sad if your best hope is that the opposition bowlers are all injured. You had the same hope this series, how did that work out for you? Oh yeah, 4-0. Top 4 wicket takers all Australian.
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Old 9th January 2018, 10:11   #1354
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Why would he not order up 5 greentops? I still have issues from 2015 that Lord's and Oval effectively served up Aussie wickets.
It's the only chance you have, since your bats and bowlers can't perform on fast wickets, flat wickets, bouncy wickets, and turning wickets. Without Anderson and Broad you probably won't even be able to compete on greentops either.
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Old 9th January 2018, 10:36   #1355
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First use of a greentop probably wouldn't help Starc, probably more likely to spray them, but it would be a brave team that would give Hazlewood and Cummins first use of such a pitch. It probably wouldn't be carnage like Broad and Anderson at their best, but it's still unlikely to be good. Think the Aussies would be feeling confident.
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Old 9th January 2018, 10:57   #1356
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Without Anderson and Broad you probably won't even be able to compete on greentops either.
I reckon Roland-Jones and Overton would do just fine and Woakes is a demon on a green top. Now, your mob, Hazelwood apart haven't got the brain cells to work out what to do, they'll still be trying to bounce out our op order.
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Old 9th January 2018, 11:05   #1357
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First use of a greentop probably wouldn't help Starc, probably more likely to spray them, but it would be a brave team that would give Hazlewood and Cummins first use of such a pitch. It probably wouldn't be carnage like Broad and Anderson at their best, but it's still unlikely to be good. Think the Aussies would be feeling confident.
It's not really about how your bowlers do on greentops, it's about your batsmen!! 60 all out ring any bells (and that was with experienced players in English conditions like Rogers and Voges)?

I'm a great admirer of Smith's ability to go big when set on decent pitches, but his record in England on seaming pitches is wretched and we'd be foolish not to prey on that.
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I reckon Roland-Jones and Overton would do just fine and Woakes is a demon on a green top. Now, your mob, Hazelwood apart haven't got the brain cells to work out what to do, they'll still be trying to bounce out our op order.
Who, and who? Woakes a demon? The guy who isn't even a first choice pick in your team and averages 50+ away from England? Sounds sustainable. Hopefully he still has a career by the time we next visit.
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It's not really about how your bowlers do on greentops, it's about your batsmen!! 60 all out ring any bells (and that was with experienced players in English conditions like Rogers and Voges)?

I'm a great admirer of Smith's ability to go big when set on decent pitches, but his record in England on seaming pitches is wretched and we'd be foolish not to prey on that.
I think this line that Smith can only score on 'decent' wickets when the ball 'doesn't do anything' (to quote Swann) needs to change to that 'England can't do anything to Smith unless they're at home, in ideal swing bowling conditions, with expert bowers' because he averages 43 in England (despite a poor start) 67 in South Africa which has the most competitive wickets in the world and 131 in NZ which bare the most similarity to English wickets, and he's getting better. So please, continue to live in the delusion that England will just turn up with whatever squad and win at home, because you might get a rude awakening sooner or later.
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Old 9th January 2018, 14:07   #1360
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It's not really about how your bowlers do on greentops, it's about your batsmen!!
Less so if you're bowling first. Also not if you have two wayward lefty speedsters spraying them everywhere when you do get to bowl.

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60 all out ring any bells (and that was with experienced players in English conditions like Rogers and Voges)?
They don't get much worse than Voges re any wicket that isn't completely flat lol (we had a bit of a clean out recently for that reason). Clarke at the end of his career unable to buy a run. A greentop on an overcast day and a freakish spell from Broad. It happens.

That 50 or so all out from a far better England batting lineup than the current one v a weakish Windies some years back? When only one player reached double figures. That mean all England teams will get 50 in those conditions?

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I'm a great admirer of Smith's ability to go big when set on decent pitches, but his record in England on seaming pitches is wretched and we'd be foolish not to prey on that.
Warner, S Marsh and Smith have all played well on difficult seaming wickets. Though in general batting performances and scores go down as conditions start to favour bowlers. Especially if they are good bowlers. Also doubtful your batsmen are any better in those conditions (they're not very good in good conditions) as much as lucky with the toss and had bowlers to exploit it (Broad in particular). It's fair enough to acknowledge that pitch doctoring offers England it's best chance and is worth the risk. Though we might get the toss next time and we won't have the two Mitch's spraying them everywhere if we do.
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