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Old 2nd April 2015, 11:49   #81
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Strauss was the captain who lost Pietersen? Did Strauss make Pietersen text the South Africans? Every time Pietersen does something you can't blame the captain. He is responsible for his own actions. I can understand you blaming Cook and Downton for the current situation, but you can't blame Strauss for what happened in 2012.
Yes it happened under Strauss' watch.

He allowed Capey to become isolated in the dresssing room, he didn't reach out to find the cause of Capey's disillusionment.

That's not good man-management.
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Old 2nd April 2015, 11:54   #82
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Yes it happened under Strauss' watch.

He allowed Capey to become isolated in the dresssing room, he didn't reach out to find the cause of Capey's disillusionment.

That's not good man-management.
If your keeping everybody in the squad apart from one person, then it's more down to the individual who is not happy rather than the captain. You can't pander to one individual and ignore the rest of the team.

This is different to what happened in 2014, where Pietersen wasn't the only one who wasn't happy, although that might have been down to the fact England were losing and not winning anymore.
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Old 2nd April 2015, 12:40   #84
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There are always cliques in dressing rooms I suspect. The key has always been managing them properly and most importantly not taking sides. Strauss was probably the best at getting the balance right, it seems Flower had his favourites and Cook is just too soft. That said, if the powers that be hadn't scheduled 10 Ashes Tests in a row then they may have all got through it with more credit.
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The England set-up has always mixed up dinner groups to ensure players are socialising with other people and not going out with the same individuals all the time.
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Old 2nd April 2015, 12:44   #85
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The England set-up has always mixed up dinner groups to ensure players are socialising with other people and not going out with the same individuals all the time.
Always? I think he only played under Fletcher and Flower.
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Always? I think he only played under Fletcher and Flower.
Of course there are players who spend more time with each other but I doubt it's a permanent thing. Players come in and out of squads and from Twitter you can see who spends time with who.

Bopara's friends are Jordan and Ali. Would you call that his clique?
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Old 2nd April 2015, 15:48   #87
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If your keeping everybody in the squad apart from one person, then it's more down to the individual who is not happy rather than the captain. You can't pander to one individual and ignore the rest of the team.

This is different to what happened in 2014, where Pietersen wasn't the only one who wasn't happy, although that might have been down to the fact England were losing and not winning anymore.
Please don't manage people, you're a court case waiting to happen.
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Old 2nd April 2015, 17:29   #88
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Please don't manage people, you're a court case waiting to happen.
So are you telling me if you were in charge of eleven people you would you sacrifice the happiness of ten to please one who wasn't happy? If six were happy and five weren't it would be different. If 90% of people you are doing something right, and it is the 0% who need to look at themselves.

It's a shame Pietersen was that 10% as you like to think he can no wrong and is always the victim.
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So I'm not quite sure what the point is regarding Bops. Did he go down the dumper because KP was sacked, or because he started hanging out with the other BMEs in the squad?
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So are you telling me if you were in charge of eleven people you would you sacrifice the happiness of ten to please one who wasn't happy? If six were happy and five weren't it would be different. If 90% of people you are doing something right, and it is the 0% who need to look at themselves.

It's a shame Pietersen was that 10% as you like to think he can no wrong and is always the victim.
I can't be bothered to argue hypotheticals. The situation, like most in teams, was more complex despite what the anti-kp whingers like to make out.

BTW I've never said KP could do no wrong
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So I'm not quite sure what the point is regarding Bops. Did he go down the dumper because KP was sacked, or because he started hanging out with the other BMEs in the squad?
I think he went down the dumper because of the removal of the Essex Mafia's influence.
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So I'm not quite sure what the point is regarding Bops. Did he go down the dumper because KP was sacked, or because he started hanging out with the other BMEs in the squad?
Because he spoke the truth
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I don't think that's a plausible explanation. This honesty session happened some time after Bopara played his last ODI.
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This is a friendly bump for this thread. Keep all Ravi chat here Sans, Ali, Sir Virgs etc.
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Darren Stevens not done a better one?
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Close. Against Surrey last year, he made 90 off 39 balls and then took 4-39.
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Is on pointless tonight with Phil Vickery although he hasn't won a World Cup!
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