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Old 20th July 2018, 13:12   #61
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... I see SA are only playing one spinner in Colombo..
That's an interesting one ... Maharaj has taken 8 of the 9 wickets to fall on the first day!
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Old 20th July 2018, 13:22   #62
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That's an interesting one ... Maharaj has taken 8 of the 9 wickets to fall on the first day!
Hope he gets the 9th tomorrow but they will probably start with the fast bowlers.
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Old 20th July 2018, 13:34   #63
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Ha ha ha. In fact there is no one in the world who believes he is the saviour of English cricket. But we should probably play our best available XI nonetheless.
What makes you think Rashid is in the best XI?
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Old 20th July 2018, 14:08   #64
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Easy for me to say etc but was hardly “that ball”
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Easy for me to say etc but was hardly “that ball”
Yeah it was just a good leg break that Kohli played back to when he should have been forward. I'm happy to see Rashid playing Tests but the process behind it would be a bit bizarre and make a mockery of what they've done for the last couple of years.
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Old 20th July 2018, 14:37   #66
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What makes you think Rashid is in the best XI?
It's just an opinion. Point is, that's all that's required in order to make picking him a good idea.
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It's just an opinion. Point is, that's all that's required in order to make picking him a good idea.
That depends entirely on how good your judgement is I guess. Anyway, it's all moot really unless Adil starts playing championship cricket or Smith shares your opinion (and isn't concerned by his lack of championship cricket).
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Old 20th July 2018, 17:15   #68
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Don’t recall Smith being a vocal supporter of Rashid on TMS. And picking him without any real evidence of first class improvement clearly defies logic, and for all his shot of the day/hour/over waffle he struck me as a rational chap
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It might not be logical but he has managed to restrict Lancashire to 44 off his three overs so should be picked.
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Good point. Who won man of the series and got a ten fer at lord's?
Was it the guy who couldn’t score a run and was smashed all over the test venues of Australia ?
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Was it the guy who couldn’t score a run and was smashed all over the test venues of Australia ?
For someone who doesn't think it is fair to write off rashid for his poor test record away from home you do love to consider moeen's away record and ignore his home record.

Did you know that moeen averages 38 with the bat and 34 with the ball in England? This is five more with the bat and one less with the ball than adil manages in England batsman counties.
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It might not be logical but he has managed to restrict Lancashire to 44 off his three overs so should be picked.
I know such a comparison shouldn't come as a surprise but are we really basing an opinion on test match selection on a T20 performance here?
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Seems like an awful lot of chat for something that is surely not going to happen. I can’t see any scenario in which Rashid will be recalled other than injuries to Leach, Bess, Moeen and possibly Dawson. He was a fine limited overs bowler when England discarded him and struggled thereafter with the longer format. With zero data available and no practice for him to be able to suggest improvement, it would be up there as one of the more bizarre picks of recent times - although goodness knows we’ve had plenty of contenders for that crown.
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Seems like an awful lot of chat for something that is surely not going to happen. I can’t see any scenario in which Rashid will be recalled other than injuries to Leach, Bess, Moeen and possibly Dawson. He was a fine limited overs bowler when England discarded him and struggled thereafter with the longer format. With zero data available and no practice for him to be able to suggest improvement, it would be up there as one of the more bizarre picks of recent times - although goodness knows we’ve had plenty of contenders for that crown.
That’s the kind of logic that saw Stoneman picked and Buttler not.
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... Did you know that moeen averages ... 34 with the ball in England? This is ... one less with the ball than adil manages in England batsman counties.
I'm not sure exactly what your figures refer to here. But if the point is that Moeen's test match bowling average in England is a bit lower than Adil's first-class bowling average, then you should note that Moeen's test match bowling average in England is a lot lower than Moeen's own first-class bowling average. If Adil were more effective by that same proportion in home tests as compared to first-class cricket (and why would you imagine he wouldn't be if Moeen was?) then he might be a decent pick over Moeen in home tests, from the bowling point of view at least.
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That’s the kind of logic that saw Stoneman picked and Buttler not.
Not really, no. Buttler never retired from red-ball cricket citing his own personal difficulties and lack of enjoyment in the format as reasons for doing so. In any case, Stoneman was not an outrageous pick at all and, like Rashid, in trying him we learned that he was not the answer to the test side. At least Buttler had a very good run and then a shorter tough spell in his first incarnation as a test player; one thing nobody could claim about Adil was that he ever consistently looked a test match spinner - he was occasionally very good and usually crap.

I'm very happy to see Rashid bowling so splendidly well in the limited overs sides but surely there is quite a compelling argument that in addition to the correlation between his good form and abandonment of the red ball there may well be some causation. Presumably he himself thought that would be the case when he made the decision, and as it starts to potentially bear fruit would seem an odd time to reverse it.
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... one thing nobody could claim about Adil was that he ever consistently looked a test match spinner - he was occasionally very good and usually crap. ...
Have to agree. But that is relative to what we've seen at test match level from Moeen (never consistently looked a test match spinner) and from Crane, Leach, and Bess (yet to at all really, though it may be early days).
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Have to agree. But that is relative to what we've seen at test match level from Moeen (never consistently looked a test match spinner) and from Crane, Leach, and Bess (yet to at all really, though it may be early days).
Indeed so. Although it’s too early in the careers of the latter three to judge their success or otherwise, it’s the same problem we have with certain batting slot merry-go-rounds whereby nobody does well enough to retain a spot on merit meaning the same old failed picks get touted once again after a large enough number of options have fallen off the carousel.
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Have to agree. But that is relative to what we've seen at test match level from Moeen (never consistently looked a test match spinner) and from Crane, Leach, and Bess (yet to at all really, though it may be early days).
Rashid like Buttler is in the form of his life. Real shame he wouldn’t play in the Roses match.
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Rashid like Buttler is in the form of his life. Real shame he wouldn’t play in the Roses match.
He did, I think he had figures of 0-44 off 3 overs.
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