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Old 16th July 2007, 22:24   #1
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West Indies

why do you think it is they are declining? they always used to have the pace bowlers but there is noone now? has cricekt become less popular in the west indies or is it just the selection basis that they have so many islands to pick from and politics is playing a part in selection?
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Old 24th July 2007, 13:54   #2
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why do you think it is they are declining? they always used to have the pace bowlers but there is noone now? has cricekt become less popular in the west indies or is it just the selection basis that they have so many islands to pick from and politics is playing a part in selection?
Simply put all of those factors. The proximity of the US means that young sportsmen of ability prefer American sports to some degree. Cricket is still popular but the cricketing squabbles between the islands mean that the set-up simply may not there to co-ordinate coaching/selection from a young age. As for islands coaching I have no idea.
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All of the above factors but I've heard many ex-players recently say there is a lot of talent there but poor administration and lack of directed coaching means that it's not properly harnessed.
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Old 25th July 2007, 10:26   #4
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All of the above factors but I've heard many ex-players recently say there is a lot of talent there but poor administration and lack of directed coaching means that it's not properly harnessed.
The WICB haven't been pro-active at all and seem to be very restrictive about new initiatives, until they get good business minds in harness with some of the best cricket brains on board its hard to see things improving.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...es/6981378.stm

Hopefully this is a positive step for Windies cricket, a marketable competition that will now run in step with their calendar and hopefully bring some money and vigour into a moribund set up. Incidentally did anyone see that young Barbadian playing for Surrey the other day, he had something about him as a bowler.
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Old 6th September 2007, 10:58   #6
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Incidentally did anyone see that young Barbadian playing for Surrey the other day, he had something about him as a bowler.
Ah jeez, I thought he was English. Well, he's still lived here during his formative years. It would be nice to have some Afro-Caribbean representation in the England side after so long without, even if it does have to be another WI-born Surrey quick-bowler with more than a hint of batting prowess.
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Ah jeez, I thought he was English. Well, he's still lived here during his formative years. It would be nice to have some Afro-Caribbean representation in the England side after so long without, even if it does have to be another WI-born Surrey quick-bowler with more than a hint of batting prowess.
Haven't you got enough 'foreign' talent in the team already?
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Haven't you got enough 'foreign' talent in the team already?
I would rather a young windies born player played for the Windies by crumbs they need it.
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Even more tales of incompetance from the Windies

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Thought this headline was a wind-up till I read the story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...es/7100817.stm

Parchment earns Windies call-up

Interesting squad, I see Lawson is still in the wilderness.

Chris Gayle (captain), Dwayne Bravo, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Narsingh Deonarine, Fidel Edwards, Runako Morton, Rawl Lewis, Brenton Parchment, Daren Powell, Denesh Ramdin, Ravi Rampaul, Darren Sammy, Marlon Samuels, Devon Smith, Jerome Taylor.
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Thought this headline was a wind-up till I read the story.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/cric...es/7100817.stm

Parchment earns Windies call-up

Interesting squad, I see Lawson is still in the wilderness.

Chris Gayle (captain), Dwayne Bravo, Shivnarine Chanderpaul, Narsingh Deonarine, Fidel Edwards, Runako Morton, Rawl Lewis, Brenton Parchment, Daren Powell, Denesh Ramdin, Ravi Rampaul, Darren Sammy, Marlon Samuels, Devon Smith, Jerome Taylor.
I'm a bit surprised this tour's going ahead after the A-team tour was concelled due to players pulling out. That might provide an explanation for one or two of the more obscure selections, or maybe they're trying to give Zimbabwe a game.

Anyway, good work John Dyson
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Old 28th November 2007, 11:46   #13
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Windies squad for the tour of SA; Gayle to captain.

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Old 30th November 2007, 10:53   #14
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Zimbabwe are going to post a proper total in the first ODI. A test for the Windies brittle batting
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they are improving i guess.
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It all depends how good their bowling attack is. Its ok to post a decent score but if WI smash 7-8 an over it wont be much of a contest.
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Old 30th November 2007, 12:02   #17
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Gayle gone cheaply's a nice start!
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WI struggling a bit at the moment- 31/2 off ten overs. It looks like these two bowlers (Chigumbura and Brent) are doing the job for Zim, but we'll have to wait and see whether they have enough bowling depth to keep control over the whole innings.
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Have the Windies bottomed out?

Ok they lost the last 2 tests of their series against SA very comfortably but of course they won the first test very comfortably with their pace attack firing against an SA side that on paper would have been predicted to clean sweep that series. For a long while the pace attack of Taylor, Powell and Edwards with Bravo in support has sporadically looked promising but too often wayward, indisciplined and feeble. However that series followed by their 1-1 draw with Sri Lanka has shown far more consistency from their attack plus more urgency in the field. This showed in the subsequent ODI series victory.

Is their new coaching set up finally installing discipline within the bowling and fielding set-up. Problems of course remain who is going to provide runs apart from Sarwan and Chanderpaul on a regular basis? That is a rhetorical question when so many batsman have the expansive drives of Windian yore, yet a defensive technique to match Chris Read's (i.e. non existant). Perhaps the likes of Chatergoon can provide a bit more solidity but they need at least 3 or 4 batsman to come through a long with a good old fashioned 6'5 or so quickie who is one nasty son of a b*tch!
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I think they've responded well to Gayle as captain which has created an enthusiastic bond. There also seem to be a few youngsters emerging. In Dyson they might have chosen the right man to coach.
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