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Old 23rd October 2007, 13:59   #121
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I'm amazed, the Australian side that drew with India in Australia on their last trip downunder was one of the worst seen in my lifetime, but this year could be worse

The only 2 changes to the bowling attack are Clark and Johnson for Bracken and Gillespie, dont see any improvement there and the batting is definately weaker

Go India

But they wont have any problem against Sri Lanka, they are ****
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Old 23rd October 2007, 14:04   #122
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Actually I thought Watson's bowling was better than ever until his injury last November. If I recall he bowled some pretty good spells in the DLF cup and/or Champions Trophy. He seemed to be gaining confidence in his bowling and was starting to try some pace variations and could bowl the odd surprisingly quick bouncer. At his best is probably more dangerous than Symonds, who seems to embarass batsmen out.

His only real chance this season will be to play solid, injury free cricket and to hope Symonds struggles or is injured.
The problem is though, that when you have relatively few overs 60 odd in a state season it would be very difficult to step up when you could be bowling quite easily 40 or so odd overs in a test.
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Old 23rd October 2007, 14:10   #123
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The problem is though, that when you have relatively few overs 60 odd in a state season it would be very difficult to step up when you could be bowling quite easily 40 or so odd overs in a test.
If he plays a full state season he should bowl more than 60 overs. Also I'm not sure how often Australia's 5th bowler bowls as many as 40 overs. Symonds, Clarke and Hussey bowled a total of 49 in the entire last Ashes. Still he needs to show consistant fitness before they even look at him.
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Old 23rd October 2007, 14:20   #124
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I'm amazed, the Australian side that drew with India in Australia on their last trip downunder was one of the worst seen in my lifetime, but this year could be worse

The only 2 changes to the bowling attack are Clark and Johnson for Bracken and Gillespie, dont see any improvement there and the batting is definately weaker
Yeah, and we all know how great your judgement of Aussies teams has been in the past don't we?

Bowling attack in Adelaide (the only match India won) was Bichel, Gillespie, Williams, MacGill with Katich the 5th bowler. Batting changes from that match are Jaques for Langer, Hussey for Waugh, Clark for Martyn and Symonds for Katich.
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Old 23rd October 2007, 14:23   #125
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Yeah, and we all know how great your judgement of Aussies teams has been in the past don't we?

Bowling attack in Adelaide (the only match India won) was Bichel, Gillespie, Williams, MacGill with Katich the 5th bowler. Batting changes from that match are Jaques for Langer, Hussey for Waugh, Clark for Martyn and Symonds for Katich.
Geezus, the batting is far worse off than I thought, every player is worse than the one they are replacing from that series
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Old 23rd October 2007, 14:24   #126
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Geezus, the batting is far worse off than I thought, every player is worse than the one they are replacing from that series
Luckily everyone else in the world has gone backwards even faster.
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His only real chance this season will be to play solid, injury free cricket and to hope Symonds struggles or is injured.
So in other words Watson pretty much has no chance then. After all the poor bloke can't even get through a T20 match these days without breaking down with some p!ssweak injury. Anyway I can't see him getting past Symonds even if he is fit.

As for the other selections, Jaques would have to come in as opener, especially now his main rival Rogers has appendicitis or something. Also can't see Hodge getting anywhere near the Aussie test team with his current form, he would be lucky just to carry the drinks. I also think Hogg might be a roughie for the spinners spot, as he has been bowling well in the ODI's & MacGill hasn't exactly been setting the world on fire recently with his bowling. Plus everyone in the Aussie team is supposed to hate MacGill anyway which might just go against him.
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I'd say the Aussie batting is looking nearly as strong as ever, though you could say that Symonds is killing time for a more authentic all-rounder and that the end may come fairly soon for Gilchrist.

That Aus-Ind series was the last time they played without Warne and McGrath but they potentially have way more depth in the quick department. I remember that Lee and Bracken, let alone Williams looked very poor then.
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Old 23rd October 2007, 15:00   #129
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I'd say the Aussie batting is looking nearly as strong as ever, though you could say that Symonds is killing time for a more authentic all-rounder and that the end may come fairly soon for Gilchrist.

That Aus-Ind series was the last time they played without Warne and McGrath but they potentially have way more depth in the quick department. I remember that Lee and Bracken, let alone Williams looked very poor then.
Nearly as strong as ever?

Gilly is alot older, Clarke is very inconsistent, Hayden is the unknown at his age, Jaques will be playing his first real test, Ponting is the only top player left, Symonds sucks and Hussey had a superb debut year but has slowly slipped back since

That batting isnt very strong anymore oh and on the bowling, lee hasnt improved
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Old 23rd October 2007, 16:32   #130
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Hussey"s average dropped from 85 in 2005 to 80.42 in 2006,so I guess he has slipped back.
Brett Lee so-so not too bad
http://howstat.com.au/cricket/Statis...?PlayerID=2205
Clarke averaged 71.50 in 2006,remains to be seen whether he can keep it up,not a 70 average,but you know what I mean.
Hayden averaged 43.83 in 2006,so I don't think he needs a walking stick yet.
Gilly is a wicket keeper,but still managed the 2nd fastest century against England last year,can't be written off.
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The Aussie batting certainly does look to have fallen back a notch from a couple of years ago, largely because of the decline of Gilchrist. It's still a very strong line up though, easily the best in world cricket. Even if Hussey regresses to the mean; Gilchrist continues largely to fail; Jaques doesn't start well; Clarke is inconsistent; Symonds goes backwards and Hayden shows his age, there's still Ponting in there. The Indians might have a shout at home but I doubt it. The only pace attack that looks like it might challenge that batting is the SA one and we all know what tends to happen when people start predicting a SA side to give Australia a game.

Nah, the Aussie worries mainly lie in the bowling with an unimpressive Lee; the very strong Clark and a relative neophyte to join them along with no good solution to the spinner problem. Still probably strong enough with some to spare to beat anyone though.
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Old 23rd October 2007, 19:19   #132
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QLD- Nothing left, led by 2 old men who cant get on the park, Nofke is a better batsman than bowler, their only half decent prospect is in the Aussie side performing on the subcontinent but nothing to say he will ever do well on flat tracks with the red ball

Or are they?

Broad 25
Watson 26
Buchanon 24
Philipson 24
Nye 28
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Hartley 25
Simpson 25
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Or are they?

Broad 25
Watson 26
Buchanon 24
Philipson 24
Nye 28
Hopes 29 (Today, happy birthday sir)
Hartley 25
Simpson 25
Johnson 25
Noffke 30
Rimmington 24
Interesting info cabinboy - obviously having Bichel and Kasper out with injury helps bring the age down. Similar for SA in the recent one-dayer with Lehmann out:

MTG Elliott 36
DJ Harris 28
MJ Cosgrove 23
NT Adcock 30
CJ Borgas 24
A Delmont 22
GA Manou 29
RJ Harris 28
JN Gillespie 33
SW Tait 25
DJ Cullen 24

Theres actually quite a bit of youth going around in the domestic comp at the moment.
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Old 24th October 2007, 08:45   #134
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Or are they?

Broad 25
Watson 26
Buchanon 24
Philipson 24
Nye 28
Hopes 29 (Today, happy birthday sir)
Hartley 25
Simpson 25
Johnson 25
Noffke 30
Rimmington 24
Name a side full of duds to try and claim the team isnt old? Interesting strategy

Only 1 good player in that lot and even he is more a one day player than 4 day, even if every QLDer thinks he should be opening at the GABBA next month

Of course QLD with everyone fit would look more like this

Hayden 36
Watson 26
Love 33
Maher 33
Symonds 32
Perren 32
Hopes 29
Hartley 25
Bichel 37
Kasper 35
Johnson 26
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Rain stops play in the Queensland/NSW Fordranger match, just as QLD were taking the game to NSW, helped by good knocks from the young turks, Broad (55no) and Nye (43).
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That Aus-Ind series was the last time they played without Warne and McGrath but they potentially have way more depth in the quick department. I remember that Lee and Bracken, let alone Williams looked very poor then.
Agreed. India's batting is also worse than it was back in 2003-04, when Sehwag, Dravid and Laxman were enjoying some of the best form of their Test careers. Against that, India's pace attack is better now than it was in that series, but it isn't really going to trouble Ponting and friends. The Australians will beat India easily.
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Agreed. India's batting is also worse than it was back in 2003-04, when Sehwag, Dravid and Laxman were enjoying some of the best form of their Test careers. Against that, India's pace attack is better now than it was in that series, but it isn't really going to trouble Ponting and friends. The Australians will beat India easily.
I'd agree with that, though I still think that Dravid can pick up his form, but there are question marks on so many of the rest. I think the Aussies may look to bombard India with pace.
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Yeah, and they can expect a tough time from the crowds after Australia's trip to India recently. Not really a series to look forward to for Indian fans, this one! I wonder what effect it will have on Dhoni assuming he is appointed captain (as seems likely).
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Yeah, and they can expect a tough time from the crowds after Australia's trip to India recently. Not really a series to look forward to for Indian fans, this one! I wonder what effect it will have on Dhoni assuming he is appointed captain (as seems likely).
I thought Sachin was named captain of the test team for the time being?
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