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Old 9th October 2014, 10:48   #4141
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Old 9th October 2014, 11:07   #4142
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He should have taken up golf at the very start. It's an individual sport and would have suited him so much better.
Yep..recall Beefy and others saying that of Boycott too...
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Old 9th October 2014, 13:07   #4143
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Old 9th October 2014, 13:33   #4144
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I think Athers is in danger of over-romanticising the dressing room. Perhaps if it wasn't such a mystical place, cliques wouldn't build up, players wouldn't feel the needs to be top dog or coach/captains pet and new players would feel more welcome in their only test and 11 ODIs. (Hell, that was a condescending sentence).

Have to say I was really disappointed with the Lords dressing room. Cramped, shabby and old; only redeemed by the spectacular view (which I guess is less spectacular if you're getting hammered). No wonder people fall out!
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Old 9th October 2014, 13:37   #4145
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As I said earlier, cliques will always happen. They are away together for months on end with people they may not like. I struggled for three weeks in Antigua with a group of best mates. At work I struggle with some people but then I just avoid them. Not easy in a team environment.

The money and jealousy of other players must have been there. But then I don't suppose kp did not mention it now and again.
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Old 9th October 2014, 13:42   #4146
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As I said earlier, cliques will always happen. They are away together for months on end with people they may not like. I struggled for three weeks in Antigua with a group of best mates. At work I struggle with some people but then I just avoid them. Not easy in a team environment.

The money and jealousy of other players must have been there. But then I don't suppose kp did not mention it now and again.
Oh, I have no doubt cliques would happen but as you say in a "normal" working environment you can often just walkaway (not always). I don't know what the unwritten rules of team etiquette are like in cricket. I know players go to the nets to practice but I always assume they are expected to spend most of their time in the dressing room. Would, say, wandering down into the members area or going for a constitutional around the local streets be allowed?
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Old 9th October 2014, 14:31   #4147
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There is a parody account on Twitter claiming to belong to Kevin Pietersen. It's clearly fake, and the person who runs it tweets in the 'third person' while calling himself a genius at every opportunity.

It's an amusing read (aside from the constant 'James Taylor is short' comments), and real England players like Graham Onions, Stuart Broad, Eoin Morgan and Matt Prior 'follow' it, which must be extremely irritating to the real KP, especially in the aftermath of his recent comments.

'KP Genius' has taken great delight in tweeting about Pietersen's threat to quit Test cricket, and also engages with commentators Michael Vaughan and David Lloyd on a regular basis. Here are some choice tweets from 'Kevin Pietersen' in the past few days.

"It's tough being KP genius on twitter. People love to see my tweets. Might defect to Facebook though..."

The real KP said: "It's tough being me playing for England. For me, the saddest part about all this is that the spectators just love watching me play and I love playing for England."

"All these gold medals makes me wish Cricket was in the Olympics. If it was, in 4 years I'll be South African again so we would have a shout."

"People who say Test Cricket is the pinnacle haven't played IPL in front 80,000, slapping Indian medium pacers about at a 141% strike rate."

"We've lost 5 Tests this year and to be honest, KP doesn't want to be associated with a team full of losers. Read into that what you will."

"Not sure about retirement yet. Been advised by my great mate at Chelsea Eden Hazard to keep you guessing so you all hang on KP's every word."

"Could see Rudolph shaking like a leaf when KP was at the top of my mark. Intimidated by the wizardry that was about to head his way."

"@markbutcher72 we're just watching the 98 highlights. Is it true that KP inspired your 1st ton after you watched me bat for Natal?"

"KP going to start a petition to increase prices of Test tickets. You should have to pay at least 3 figures to watch genius' like KP."

"Note to ex-pros. Make sure you're better than KP before you have a pop. Which means unless you're Don Bradman, keep your mouth shut."

"Kids, if you want to be a decent spinner like KP then you need 5 things: flight, guile, grip, rip and genius."

"Got asked who's had more clubs: KP, Luke Wright or Peter Stringfellow? Dont care. KP plays where the s are. Giving the World his genius."

I can't believe that this had KP in tears.
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Old 9th October 2014, 14:46   #4148
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There is a high profile individual in my field of work who actually tweets in a non-parody sense about himself and his work in a manner that'd make KPGenius blush. A colleague of mine took him down brilliantly today, best thing I've read on Twitter in years.
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Old 9th October 2014, 14:58   #4149
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Surely you get what I mean.

I see aggers has now quit twitter over the abuse he is getting. This is just stupid.

The kp genius account was a joke that went too far but it seems odd that the singer who was not good enough for hearsay is kicking off about the fact some players might have been involved. Kp has admitted texting saffers with bad stuff. I don't get why anyone thinks they have the moral high ground. This is what happens when a tabloid journo stokes the fires.

Kp should be remembered as someone who played incredible innings. Sadly he might not be.
What tabloid journalist? It's a broadsheet, the Telegraph, who is making all the running here.

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From the time on Cricket365

There is a parody account on Twitter claiming to belong to Kevin Pietersen. It's clearly fake, and the person who runs it tweets in the 'third person' while calling himself a genius at every opportunity.

It's an amusing read (aside from the constant 'James Taylor is short' comments), and real England players like Graham Onions, Stuart Broad, Eoin Morgan and Matt Prior 'follow' it, which must be extremely irritating to the real KP, especially in the aftermath of his recent comments.

'KP Genius' has taken great delight in tweeting about Pietersen's threat to quit Test cricket, and also engages with commentators Michael Vaughan and David Lloyd on a regular basis. Here are some choice tweets from 'Kevin Pietersen' in the past few days.

"It's tough being KP genius on twitter. People love to see my tweets. Might defect to Facebook though..."

The real KP said: "It's tough being me playing for England. For me, the saddest part about all this is that the spectators just love watching me play and I love playing for England."

"All these gold medals makes me wish Cricket was in the Olympics. If it was, in 4 years I'll be South African again so we would have a shout."

"People who say Test Cricket is the pinnacle haven't played IPL in front 80,000, slapping Indian medium pacers about at a 141% strike rate."

"We've lost 5 Tests this year and to be honest, KP doesn't want to be associated with a team full of losers. Read into that what you will."

"Not sure about retirement yet. Been advised by my great mate at Chelsea Eden Hazard to keep you guessing so you all hang on KP's every word."

"Could see Rudolph shaking like a leaf when KP was at the top of my mark. Intimidated by the wizardry that was about to head his way."

"@markbutcher72 we're just watching the 98 highlights. Is it true that KP inspired your 1st ton after you watched me bat for Natal?"

"KP going to start a petition to increase prices of Test tickets. You should have to pay at least 3 figures to watch genius' like KP."

"Note to ex-pros. Make sure you're better than KP before you have a pop. Which means unless you're Don Bradman, keep your mouth shut."

"Kids, if you want to be a decent spinner like KP then you need 5 things: flight, guile, grip, rip and genius."

"Got asked who's had more clubs: KP, Luke Wright or Peter Stringfellow? Dont care. KP plays where the s are. Giving the World his genius."

I can't believe that this has KP in tears.
I can't believe that a text to a South African player got him the sack either.
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Old 9th October 2014, 15:12   #4150
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Old 9th October 2014, 15:13   #4151
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Old 9th October 2014, 16:50   #4153
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I can't believe that a text to a South African player got him the sack either.
Several texts, personally directed at opposition players including adverse comments about his captain. There were no tactical hints, and as everyone knows, they were irrelevant. But to give the team England were trying to beat knowledge or confirmation of things being not well in the England camp was extra ammunition to be used to drive a wedge, give an edge to sledging, undermining confidence. OK, so some of this may already have been apparent but it's disloyal and unacceptable and I would say sackable. And incidentally your other favourite MPV also now says that he should have gone then. In fact claims he said it at the time but I must have missed it.


The twitter spoof was a totally different scenario. @KPGenius was open to everyone on twitter and was akin to the style of so many other spoof twitter accounts, taking obvious characteristics of the subject and exaggerating them for comic effect. It's satire (in this case not exactly high quality) so it's not meant to be complimentary. But the content didn't diverge that far from stuff KP actually said about the IPL and his future as a test cricketer. He himself said that the attraction of the IPL was having 50,000 fans chanting his name.

The extracts quoted by kys include nothing that couldn't have been gleaned from the media plus a bit of imagination. Nothing there that could come only from the dressing room. If KP had a sense of humour it could have been nipped in the bud quite quickly. Can't believe he was distraught by it but when asked for twitter abuse of Cook and others to be toned down just told the players to get a thicker skin.
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Well Gough's not going to give him a hard time, is he?
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Several texts, personally directed at opposition players including adverse comments about his captain. There were no tactical hints, and as everyone knows, they were irrelevant. But to give the team England were trying to beat knowledge or confirmation of things being not well in the England camp was extra ammunition to be used to drive a wedge, give an edge to sledging, undermining confidence. OK, so some of this may already have been apparent but it's disloyal and unacceptable and I would say sackable. And incidentally your other favourite MPV also now says that he should have gone then. In fact claims he said it at the time but I must have missed it.


The twitter spoof was a totally different scenario. @KPGenius was open to everyone on twitter and was akin to the style of so many other spoof twitter accounts, taking obvious characteristics of the subject and exaggerating them for comic effect. It's satire (in this case not exactly high quality) so it's not meant to be complimentary. But the content didn't diverge that far from stuff KP actually said about the IPL and his future as a test cricketer. He himself said that the attraction of the IPL was having 50,000 fans chanting his name.

The extracts quoted by kys include nothing that couldn't have been gleaned from the media plus a bit of imagination. Nothing there that could come only from the dressing room. If KP had a sense of humour it could have been nipped in the bud quite quickly. Can't believe he was distraught by it but when asked for twitter abuse of Cook and others to be toned down just told the players to get a thicker skin.
You'll excuse me from judging the offensiveness of those tweets from extracts.

Ultimately KP's crime was being foreign born and fraternising with players from the country of his birth. The first part was barely tolerated so the second part was considered proof of treason confirming those long held suspicions.

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Why didn't they just pick him for the World T20 and then wait for the summer to make the decision to move on in Tests? Utter stupidity really. They could have avoided all this.
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Why didn't they just pick him for the World T20 and then wait for the summer to make the decision to move on in Tests? Utter stupidity really. They could have avoided all this.
While kp has been an outstanding t20 player. He had not scored a t20 run for England in the two years before the World Cup. That does not mean I think they treated him well but even the biggest kp fan would admit he is nowhere near the t20 player he was. As underlined by his ipl and t20 blast form. It is a shame because I used to love watching him play.
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although he would probably have ruined the Ryder Cup effort each time
If he's played golf instead of cricket he could have stayed South African. Racial quotas not a problem in golf.
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While kp has been an outstanding t20 player. He had not scored a t20 run for England in the two years before the World Cup. That does not mean I think they treated him well but even the biggest kp fan would admit he is nowhere near the t20 player he was. As underlined by his ipl and t20 blast form. It is a shame because I used to love watching him play.
He played well in the IPL in that period that he didn't play for England. I don't think he was left out on ability, mainly to be rested and dare I say it, because Flower knew he wanted to play T20 but not ODIs. Even if he failed in the World T20 it would have made it easier to make a case of him being past it and to move on come the summer. Giles seemed very keen on picking him at the time, even Broad is thought to have wanted him there and he would have been pretty much the only man from the clique to have been in the squad. I'd like to have been in that selection meeting as they tried to find reasons not to pick him. The fact that Flower was still on the selection panel despite stepping down as coach says it all really. A final act of revenge, if I'm going down, he's coming with me.
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Several texts, personally directed at opposition players including adverse comments about his captain. There were no tactical hints, and as everyone knows, they were irrelevant. But to give the team England were trying to beat knowledge or confirmation of things being not well in the England camp was extra ammunition to be used to drive a wedge, give an edge to sledging, undermining confidence. OK, so some of this may already have been apparent but it's disloyal and unacceptable and I would say sackable. And incidentally your other favourite MPV also now says that he should have gone then. In fact claims he said it at the time but I must have missed it.


The twitter spoof was a totally different scenario. @KPGenius was open to everyone on twitter and was akin to the style of so many other spoof twitter accounts, taking obvious characteristics of the subject and exaggerating them for comic effect. It's satire (in this case not exactly high quality) so it's not meant to be complimentary. But the content didn't diverge that far from stuff KP actually said about the IPL and his future as a test cricketer. He himself said that the attraction of the IPL was having 50,000 fans chanting his name.

The extracts quoted by kys include nothing that couldn't have been gleaned from the media plus a bit of imagination. Nothing there that could come only from the dressing room. If KP had a sense of humour it could have been nipped in the bud quite quickly. Can't believe he was distraught by it but when asked for twitter abuse of Cook and others to be toned down just told the players to get a thicker skin.
Re texts about Strauss. I think they were wrong, ECB could well have parted ways with kp over them but they chose not to. As such, you can keep on bashing him over the head about them, but those who were hurt most got over it. Therefore discussion over them is pretty redundant.

Re parody account. You make plenty of false comparisons there. It wasn't just any old parody account, it was one apparently set up by a friend of a team-mate and at best was engaged with and goaded by other members of the clique dressing room, at worst actively supported by it. It was also created when KP and the England management were going through a difficult period and the timing was not coincidental. Its not hard to imagination that the players who disliked KP were happy to go along with it to mock him and drive a further wedge between him and the side. Its understandable that if KP was being disruptive at the time, his team-mates were probably well ****ed off with him. It was down to the team management to take a much harder line on it for two reasons (i.e. forbade players from any engagement or discussion about it)- because that's what a fair employer should do and also because anyone with a blind bit of sense would realise that by not doing so, KP's sense of injustice would be fuelled and it gave further ammunition to critics in the media and fanbase. That they didn't could be interpreted as implicit approval- management has to stay above the dynamics of the workers, they failed in that duty here. However, as we know the ECB time and again show themselves to be incompetent employers when it comes to the treatment of any player outside their perceived norm. Perceptiveness also seems to be beyond them.

Re KP's mental state at the time. Its not for me to second guess him and as said the account probably hit a raw nerve at a troubled moment.

Re the abuse of Cook and Prior by Morgan. Morgan's a ****, KP should have distanced himself from it.
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