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Old 8th February 2016, 13:39   #5981
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Perhaps Morgan is trying to say that England has a good young team whose batsmen are playing limited overs cricket very well and he doesn't see a place for Pietersen in the side. Buttler commanded a higher price in the IPL auction. Hales is the third highest ranked iT20 player. And there are the exciting talents of Roy, Root, Stokes along with Morgan himself, and batting (nearly) all the way down the order.
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Old 8th February 2016, 13:40   #5982
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NO.

We've had the discussion re Bell. England players past and present stay on the England board. There's been a suggestion for a historical board to talk about past players but I'd imagine that refers to players who aren't playing at all any more or, indeed, are no longer with us.

Just noticed someone else asking for the thread to be moved. No. There are no individual player threads on the domestic board.
He could be the first. He'd probably like that (if he knew).

Any road up, domestic cricket is all he plays now, or is ever likely to play. I suppose, though, there may one day also be a celebrity cricket reality bake-off show or something.
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Old 8th February 2016, 13:42   #5983
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Flintoff is on the domestic board.
Is he? I hadn't realised. He shouldn't be. I'm sure all the other former England players who had their own threads are still on the England board. What happens, as I said before, is that the threads usually sink down page by page and are ultimately forgotten. Who knows, once KP has played his last t20 game he might sink without trace as well. Possibly.
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Old 8th February 2016, 13:53   #5984
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That's the national press for you, for them he is click bait and this is replicated in many other fora. All mentions of him tend to relate to his England career anyway. As slogger says people seems to want to talk about him a whole lot.
Particularly and especially the people who say we should stop talking about him, oddly enough.
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Old 8th February 2016, 13:58   #5985
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Interesting he's saying it's HIS call! Very interesting! Hmmmmm...!

I bet KP was on the phone to Morgan. It's Strauss' call but Morgan knows that and what could he say. Did KP expect Morgan say he would like to have KP in the team but it's not down to him. That's what KP was expecting. Morgan showing his power - 'it's down to me who plays' unlike Cook who will accept anyone in the team and then threaten their place?
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Old 8th February 2016, 14:04   #5986
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Particularly and especially the people who say we should stop talking about him, oddly enough.
Yep, that's the most oddest thing of all. If they stopped this thread actually would be an echo chamber with the occasional contribution from a couple of posters.
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Old 8th February 2016, 14:22   #5987
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NO.

We've had the discussion re Bell. England players past and present stay on the England board. There's been a suggestion for a historical board to talk about past players but I'd imagine that refers to players who aren't playing at all any more or, indeed, are no longer with us.

Just noticed someone else asking for the thread to be moved. No. There are no individual player threads on the domestic board.
Nuff said
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Old 8th February 2016, 14:32   #5988
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Get off the fence please, and while you're at it you might like to slag someone off for the fact that KP is still a subject of conversation. For my part, I would like to suggest that Kevin Pietersen have his own dedicated Cricket 24/7 forum. He transcends the Domestic / England / International distinction as effortlessly as he transcends the distinction between man and god, and it is a real shame that the lore accumulated in this thread is all bunched up higgledy-piggledy rather than separated into different threads, for the benefit of future researchers as well as for our own ease of reference.
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Old 8th February 2016, 14:45   #5989
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Get off the fence please, and while you're at it you might like to slag someone off for the fact that KP is still a subject of conversation. For my part, I would like to suggest that Kevin Pietersen have his own dedicated Cricket 24/7 forum. He transcends the Domestic / England / International distinction as effortlessly as he transcends the distinction between man and god, and it is a real shame that the lore accumulated in this thread is all bunched up higgledy-piggledy rather than separated into different threads, for the benefit of future researchers as well as for our own ease of reference.
It will take some dedication to do, but you might be on to something - this thread should be converted into an encyclopaedia on England's greatest post-war cricketer.
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It will take some dedication to do, but you might be on to something - this thread should be converted into an encyclopaedia on England's greatest post-war cricketer.
What the **** has this thread got to do with Tim bresnan?

He is ultimate click bait. It is funny some one here think he could slot into a young and vibrant team without completely changing the dynamic. Sorry folks that is simply impossible.
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Old 8th February 2016, 17:09   #5991
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What the **** has this thread got to do with Tim bresnan?

He is ultimate click bait. It is funny some one here think he could slot into a young and vibrant team without completely changing the dynamic. Sorry folks that is simply impossible.
Is that the thing about players being intimidated by playing alongside their role models?
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Old 8th February 2016, 19:04   #5992
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Pietersen has been out of the England set up for over two years. He only get discussed because every time he sneezes, or someone mentions him in an interview, it gets a mention. Pietersen is playing purely domestic cricket, and will do for the rest of his career.
In a year's time he becomes eligible to play for Ireland or South Africa. Probably Zimbabwee too.
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Old 8th February 2016, 20:26   #5993
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Is that the thing about players being intimidated by playing alongside their role models?
Possibly. Ir possibly because he will bring a whole different attitude. Surely you don't deny that it would change? We have done well for a while in ODI now so why change?

I suppose a similar thing could be when a football club signs a new superstar and it ruins a team. In theory buying A star is great but if he does not buy in to the team ethic then it is ruined.
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Old 8th February 2016, 23:54   #5994
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Possibly. Ir possibly because he will bring a whole different attitude. Surely you don't deny that it would change? We have done well for a while in ODI now so why change?

I suppose a similar thing could be when a football club signs a new superstar and it ruins a team. In theory buying A star is great but if he does not buy in to the team ethic then it is ruined.
I don't think he would bring a whole different attitude. He was playing the game England now play 5-10 years ago. But, if he does have a different attitude, that's an attitude England need to get. Afterall, he's England's most successful team player ever. The current lot could learn a lot from him on how to be a team player - even Strauss recognises this which is why he tried to recruit him as a coach.
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Old 9th February 2016, 00:46   #5995
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The current lot could learn a lot from him on how to be a team player - even Strauss recognises this which is why he tried to recruit him as a coach.
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Old 9th February 2016, 04:05   #5996
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I don't think he would bring a whole different attitude. He was playing the game England now play 5-10 years ago. But, if he does have a different attitude, that's an attitude England need to get. Afterall, he's England's most successful team player ever. The current lot could learn a lot from him on how to be a team player - even Strauss recognises this which is why he tried to recruit him as a coach.
Not convinced that Strauss was sincere in his offer, I'd suggest it was a gesture he knew Pietersen would not be interested in, designed to try and smooth over somewhat the shabby behaviour of his predecessor.

There was never really any way back for the best batsman of his generation after the bridge burning act of releasing his book. History will show that Strauss extended an offer, at least the official version according to the ECB will.
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Not convinced that Strauss was sincere in his offer, I'd suggest it was a gesture he knew Pietersen would not be interested in, designed to try and smooth over somewhat the shabby behaviour of his predecessor.

There was never really any way back for the best batsman of his generation after the bridge burning act of releasing his book. History will show that Strauss extended an offer, at least the official version according to the ECB will.
Exactly. People doubt strauss's offer but if kp did want to play for England again then he would not have released the book. I thought we had all agreed that everyone acted like bell ends and it was time to move on. For five or six years he was a sensational ODI player for England but since 2010 (or thereabouts) he was not good at all. All this talk off him playing the current way is true of him 10 years ago but not 5.
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It's funny how the now concluded debate around Bell's merits as an England player is a proxy for the now concluded debate about KP's return. As players, they always seemed to get on and certainly batted very well together on several occasions.
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Old 9th February 2016, 08:46   #5999
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It's funny how the now concluded debate around Bell's merits as an England player is a proxy for the now concluded debate about KP's return. As players, they always seemed to get on and certainly batted very well together on several occasions.
I agree. It is funny how Ian bell crops up in a kp thread. Odd.

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Buttler commanded a higher price in the IPL auction.
Surely that argument is poor MF? Chris Morris went for a lot more than Jos Buttler did and we've seen how good h is, LOL! Those IPL bosses know so little about cricket. I'd suggest the contributors to this forum could do a better job of selecting a squad than most of them. KP will score runs there, without a doubt.
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