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Old 29th August 2017, 15:28   #201
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Livingstone is up to 165no, Jason Roy is 76no.
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Old 29th August 2017, 15:30   #202
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Nick Browne the only Essex batsman who has looked like making good runs in the game at Chelmsford.
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Old 29th August 2017, 16:20   #203
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Livingstone is up to 165no, Jason Roy is 76no.
Livingstone and Alex Davies may all be in with outside shots for the next test. Livingstone is now batting at 3 and averages mid 40s in First Class Cricket. Davies could get the nod if they are looking at him as the reserve keeper in Australia and shift Bairstow up the order for a test to allow them time to decide who bats in the top 5 against Australia.
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Old 29th August 2017, 17:31   #204
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Davies seems to have adapted well to opening. Believe that he had never scored FC before this season but has managed 3 this season and come mighty close on occasions as well.
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Old 29th August 2017, 17:31   #205
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Livingstone 200 not out.
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Old 29th August 2017, 17:34   #206
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Livingstone 200 not out.
Previous best was 168. Buttler going well at the other end, too. Close to a 50.

I remember one of the posters on here who saw Livingstone play said he had a fairly poor, cross-batted technique that looked likely to be exposed at international level. Haven't seen him bat, myself. Anyone else seen him and able to give any kind of critique?
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Old 29th August 2017, 17:52   #207
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Previous best was 168. Buttler going well at the other end, too. Close to a 50.

I remember one of the posters on here who saw Livingstone play said he had a fairly poor, cross-batted technique that looked likely to be exposed at international level. Haven't seen him bat, myself. Anyone else seen him and able to give any kind of critique?
I've only seen him in one day cricket and he hits the ball harder than anything I've seen. You can't argue with his runs for Lancashire and the Lions over the past 18 months. Best batsman in England during that period.
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Old 29th August 2017, 17:56   #208
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Previous best was 168. Buttler going well at the other end, too. Close to a 50.

I remember one of the posters on here who saw Livingstone play said he had a fairly poor, cross-batted technique that looked likely to be exposed at international level. Haven't seen him bat, myself. Anyone else seen him and able to give any kind of critique?
Hasn't hindered Steve Smith.
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Old 29th August 2017, 18:08   #209
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Livingstone and Alex Davies may all be in with outside shots for the next test. Livingstone is now batting at 3 and averages mid 40s in First Class Cricket. Davies could get the nod if they are looking at him as the reserve keeper in Australia and shift Bairstow up the order for a test to allow them time to decide who bats in the top 5 against Australia.
Not if they lose this test. Looks only likely to be saved by the light. 36 needed and counting. Doubt they offer two batting debuts in a deciding test.

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I remember one of the posters on here who saw Livingstone play said he had a fairly poor, cross-batted technique that looked likely to be exposed at international level. Haven't seen him bat, myself. Anyone else seen him and able to give any kind of critique?
Seen Livi plenty of times. Has a two speed game, can bat properly, the cross batted stuff is in limited overs games and when well set, if / when game demands.
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Old 29th August 2017, 18:58   #210
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Previous best was 168. Buttler going well at the other end, too. Close to a 50.

I remember one of the posters on here who saw Livingstone play said he had a fairly poor, cross-batted technique that looked likely to be exposed at international level. Haven't seen him bat, myself. Anyone else seen him and able to give any kind of critique?
He's pretty conventional in the championship. Quite a solid defence. He's a bit of a monster in T20 I suspect he's got the highest average of any English qualified player in first class cricket. Maybe Ballance is higher?
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Old 29th August 2017, 19:28   #211
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Seen Livi plenty of times. Has a two speed game, can bat properly, the cross batted stuff is in limited overs games and when well set, if / when game demands.
Good to hear.

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He's pretty conventional in the championship. Quite a solid defence. He's a bit of a monster in T20 I suspect he's got the highest average of any English qualified player in first class cricket. Maybe Ballance is higher?
Don't think so - Ballance averages 49. Quick back of an envelope calculation suggests that this current knock of 215* will add a shade under 7 to Livingstone's current average of 46.5, so up to about 54.

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Hasn't hindered Steve Smith.
That was my initial thought, too - if someone gets stacks of runs, how crucial is it that they look pretty?
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Old 30th August 2017, 11:45   #212
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224 for Livingstone in the end. Apparently the ECB asked Lancs to play him at 4 or 5 not 3. FFS they need to stop meddling Haseeb has been trying to play attacking shots. He is now going back to his old style.
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Old 30th August 2017, 22:53   #213
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224 for Livingstone in the end. Apparently the ECB asked Lancs to play him at 4 or 5 not 3. FFS they need to stop meddling Haseeb has been trying to play attacking shots. He is now going back to his old style.
Did ECB ask him to change or did he decide to? I've seen him bat once this year and it wasn't attackėng shots he was just dangling his bat out to balls going across him rather than trying to really hit the ball. Watched him a few times last year and wasn't really sure if he judged the line better or bowlers had found a good line.

Livingstone does things his way, played a lot of club cricket and on the fringes at Lancs for a long time. Then got pigeon holed as a short form blaster and worked hard to develop a technique in the longer form. If he wants to bat at 3 he'll work at it.
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Did ECB ask him to change or did he decide to? I've seen him bat once this year and it wasn't attackėng shots he was just dangling his bat out to balls going across him rather than trying to really hit the ball. Watched him a few times last year and wasn't really sure if he judged the line better or bowlers had found a good line.

Livingstone does things his way, played a lot of club cricket and on the fringes at Lancs for a long time. Then got pigeon holed as a short form blaster and worked hard to develop a technique in the longer form. If he wants to bat at 3 he'll work at it.
All I really have to go on is what the Lancs correspondent on TMS (seeing as none of the commentators watch county cricket) was saying that there was definitely a shift in the way he was playing, for example last season he would barely play a shot to a wide, full ball but this summer he was going for a lot more and getting out to it. He suggested that rather relying on his Dad as his batting coach, he was taking advice from more people. 19/20 is such a young age to be changing like that IMO, surely his scoring rate would naturally improve as his game and body develops, what he has is great skill and determination to bat for a long time and we could do with that. England can easily catch up with the scoring rate with their middle order, especially if Cook and Hameed have tired out the bowlers by batting longer.
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Old 31st August 2017, 10:37   #215
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All I really have to go on is what the Lancs correspondent on TMS (seeing as none of the commentators watch county cricket) was saying that there was definitely a shift in the way he was playing, for example last season he would barely play a shot to a wide, full ball but this summer he was going for a lot more and getting out to it. He suggested that rather relying on his Dad as his batting coach, he was taking advice from more people. 19/20 is such a young age to be changing like that IMO, surely his scoring rate would naturally improve as his game and body develops, what he has is great skill and determination to bat for a long time and we could do with that. England can easily catch up with the scoring rate with their middle order, especially if Cook and Hameed have tired out the bowlers by batting longer.
The changes in the championship have messed up my county watching this year and so I have less gossip than in the past. I play cricket in the Middle East with a guy on whose brother coaches at Lancashire so I may get some gossip at nets. I know I advocated picking him last year and what I saw this year was a player who looked like he needed 18 months to find himself again. I'd be very surprised if he isn't an England regular inside 3 years. I think he'll come through this a better player. The little I did hear was he wanted to be more than a red ball cricketer. I'm not sure he has the game for that to be honest.
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The changes in the championship have messed up my county watching this year and so I have less gossip than in the past. I play cricket in the Middle East with a guy on whose brother coaches at Lancashire so I may get some gossip at nets. I know I advocated picking him last year and what I saw this year was a player who looked like he needed 18 months to find himself again. I'd be very surprised if he isn't an England regular inside 3 years. I think he'll come through this a better player. The little I did hear was he wanted to be more than a red ball cricketer. I'm not sure he has the game for that to be honest.
Indeed, he only made his one day debut this year so may be a factor. By the looks of it he did OK in the shorter stuff, but not yet made the T20 team.
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Played some cracking shots against India with Jimmy. I've said before, based on what I've seen from Hameed that I could see him following a similar path to Root - although probably never for England - and building a decent limited overs game off the foundation of his solid defensive technique. Certainly think moving that way is easier than trying to become a test player off the strengths of your limited overs game.
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Played some cracking shots against India with Jimmy. I've said before, based on what I've seen from Hameed that I could see him following a similar path to Root - although probably never for England - and building a decent limited overs game off the foundation of his solid defensive technique. Certainly think moving that way is easier than trying to become a test player off the strengths of your limited overs game.
It's easy to forget that the best opener in the world did just that.
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It's easy to forget that the best opener in the world did just that.
It is, but he's the exception rather than the rule.
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Sussex got well and truly Duckettated again, 193 off 200 balls to add to his near-treble hundred last year.
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