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Old 8th June 2007, 12:34   #61
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We're gonna find it tough in Lanka to say the least. Last time there we should have lost 3-0 if it wasn't for Tillekeratne being such a defensive captain.
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Old 8th June 2007, 13:39   #62
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They've always gone for two spinners in Sri Lankan tests. Given the figures of Batty last time, Im not sure if this is wise unless the number two is quality. Which is why I wouldnt take a number three.
My premise for taking three would be predicated on the need to protect Rashid's development. It would also ensure there was some sort of competition for bowling places, eg if two spinners are taken, they know they're going to play in every match. And regardless of whether we don't see the justification, the England management have been pretty consistent on the need for three spinners in Sri Lanka.
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Old 8th June 2007, 14:00   #63
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I've read a lot of Rashid but have yet to see him play live. Is the hype deserved? Also his leg spinning team mate Lawson (Mark?) is meant to be a decent prospect.

Regarding spinning options for the Winter, what about Graeme Swann as a possible?
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Old 8th June 2007, 14:10   #64
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I've read a lot of Rashid but have yet to see him play live. Is the hype deserved? Also his leg spinning team mate Lawson (Mark?) is meant to be a decent prospect.

Regarding spinning options for the Winter, what about Graeme Swann as a possible?

My view is that whoever the third spinner is, it'll only be for this winter only, so stick with somebody who's done it before, namely Udal or Croft. Though with the caveat, that they actually make a decent fist of this summer with the ball. If not, then I'd turn to the likes of Swann, Batty, Brown and Keedy. I really don't care whether they can bat or not.

Lawson is a decent prospect but hasn't played for Yorkshire first team this season and his performances in the 2nd XI haven't been great. I'd imagine once Rashid makes the England side, there will be more opportunities for Lawson.
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Old 8th June 2007, 14:41   #65
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Have you not seen Rashid bowl at all Laface? There's footage of him in an article by Simon Hughes in the Telegraph.

Not seen Lawson bowl. I gather he bowls floaty attacking leg breaks.

Heard Munday did well in Aussie grade cricket (Jenner is a fan) but he hasn't had much of a chance with Somerset.
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Old 8th June 2007, 15:05   #66
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I have mentioned him JD but his batting isnt the best is it
If anything, that is tactful. you could simply have omitted the "nt the best is it" and said "his batting is "
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Old 8th June 2007, 15:10   #67
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My view is that whoever the third spinner is, it'll only be for this winter only, so stick with somebody who's done it before, namely Udal or Croft. Though with the caveat, that they actually make a decent fist of this summer with the ball. If not, then I'd turn to the likes of Swann, Batty, Brown and Keedy. I really don't care whether they can bat or not.

Lawson is a decent prospect but hasn't played for Yorkshire first team this season and his performances in the 2nd XI haven't been great. I'd imagine once Rashid makes the England side, there will be more opportunities for Lawson.
I doubt they'd go back to Croft. Udal maybe but again quite a big if. I would assume that they would go for someone in the ilk of Yardy/Dalrymple/Blackwell. But it would be nice to see new blood for the tour.
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Old 8th June 2007, 15:13   #68
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Have you not seen Rashid bowl at all Laface? There's footage of him in an article by Simon Hughes in the Telegraph.

Not seen Lawson bowl. I gather he bowls floaty attacking leg breaks.

Heard Munday did well in Aussie grade cricket (Jenner is a fan) but he hasn't had much of a chance with Somerset.
I haven't Slater but will take a look on the Telegraph website. Lawson took a five fer against the WI in 2004 I seem to recall and I think that he and Rashid took five wickets each in a CC game last year - though might be mistaken about that.

What happened to Richard Dawson? He bowled okayish on the tour to India a few years ago but then was found to be out of his depth against Australia.
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Dawson is now at Northants. He isn't v old (he was v young when he played for England) but I don't think he has done much in FC cricket for quite a while.
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Thanks MB, I didn't look at the Essex vs Northants scorecard closely enough last night. He took 1-120 and today is currently 20*.

A first class bowling average of over 40 isn't the greatest!
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Dawson is very very bad. Might as well go into the match with ten players, same effect
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Dawson is very very bad. Might as well go into the match with ten players, same effect
Bit unfair. He might hold up an end with the bat for a while.
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Dawson isn't that bad but id sooner have Browny on tour than him.
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Thanks MB, I didn't look at the Essex vs Northants scorecard closely enough last night. He took 1-120 and today is currently 20*.

A first class bowling average of over 40 isn't the greatest!
I suspect he isn't the only bowler in that innings whose figures are a bit of a mess.
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No quite but 180 wickets in a career at an average of over 40 is pretty poor. I believe he is on a one year contract with Northants. I bet he's hoping to make most of his appearances at Northants ground (Wantage road?)
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Dawson is very very bad. Might as well go into the match with ten players, same effect
He minces around the field so much, as well.
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I would actually wet myself at Brown and Panesar bowling for England, but it isn't going to happen, and tbh, it Brown isn't international quality...good county spinner but that's about it, especially as he can't bat.
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He minces around the field so much, as well.
yes, but Peter Such's action was far more camp.
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yes, but Peter Such's action was far more camp.
There are so many easy jokes, but I guess with my track record I should pull out of them (so to speak).
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Jeremy Snape! He's got England experience in playing, trick-cycling and boozing, see! Besides, Udal is a no-no and Crofty will only tour the valleys now.
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