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Old 21st July 2007, 17:53   #161
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That is true I remember creamy's tale about Swann sticking his spinning finger in urine before he comes onto bowl!
Gruesome though it sounds, it was (and probably still is) a widely suggested method - on the county scene - of hardening the skin on the spinning finger which can take some fearful stick during a long spell.
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Old 22nd July 2007, 15:41   #162
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Left not out on 91.
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Old 22nd July 2007, 15:46   #163
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Left not out on 91.
Shame for him not to get the ton but it's still a standout innings and will hopefully help him push on with the bat.
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Old 22nd July 2007, 15:47   #164
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Came in at 124-5, so definitely his best innings so far, mostly batting with the tail. Wickets have been scarce for him recently, so glad he's fulfilling the other part of his all-round role
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Old 27th July 2007, 17:19   #165
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5 - 112 v Kent.

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Old 27th July 2007, 17:29   #166
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Good to hear. Dead cert for the winter methinks
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Old 27th July 2007, 18:15   #167
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I hope not. This chicken needs a few more minutes in the oven.
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Old 27th July 2007, 18:16   #168
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I hope not. This chicken needs a few more minutes in the oven.
Perhaps if there were any other plump chickens available that might be sensible but they're a scrawny and Salmonella infested bunch, in the main.
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Old 27th July 2007, 18:51   #169
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Whats wrong with Keedy, or do we need our spinner to bat?
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Old 27th July 2007, 18:56   #170
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Old 27th July 2007, 19:04   #171
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Whats wrong with Keedy, or do we need our spinner to bat?
Playing 5 bowlers with Flintoff as all rounder yes, we do need our spinner to bat. We can't have a tail including Keedy, Monty and Hoggard, especially given the other bowler won't be any great shakes with the bat either.
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Old 27th July 2007, 19:30   #172
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Bah your forgone conclusions .. 5 bowlers .. not again
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Old 27th July 2007, 20:52   #173
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I hope not. This chicken needs a few more minutes in the oven.
Haven't we already got an egg thread for those kind of comments?
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Old 28th July 2007, 00:48   #174
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Playing 5 bowlers with Flintoff as all rounder yes, we do need our spinner to bat. We can't have a tail including Keedy, Monty and Hoggard, especially given the other bowler won't be any great shakes with the bat either.
I think 5 bowlers may be more important when playing out in the heat and humidity of Sri Lanka than a damp Trent Bridge.

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Old 28th July 2007, 07:29   #175
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Gruesome though it sounds, it was (and probably still is) a widely suggested method - on the county scene - of hardening the skin on the spinning finger which can take some fearful stick during a long spell.

Dousing it in vinegar, then baking it at about Gas 4 for a couple of hours and then coating it in nail lacquer is also thought to help.

No, that's conkers...

You can pee in your shoes if you want to soften the leather though.
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Old 28th July 2007, 11:03   #176
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Updated spin watch for 2007.

Keedy (5 matches, 20 wickets at 22.10)
Panesar (4 matches, 18 wickets at 28.66)
Swann (12 matches, 32 wickets at 31.21)
Udal (3 matches, 9 wickets at 33.55)
Dawson (3 matches, 5 wickets at 33.60)
Rashid (10 matches, 35 wickets at 34.53)
Blackwell (11 matches, 14 wickets at 36.64)
Croft (9 matches, 27 wickets at 38.37)
Batty (8 matches, 23 wickets at 40.21)
Brown (9 matches, 16 wickets at 48.31)
Schofield (5 matches, 8 wickets at 53.00)
Doshi (5 matches, 13 wickets at 53.61)
Salisbury (5 matches, 9 wickets at 70.44)
Loudon (9 matches, 4 wickets at 90.50)
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Old 28th July 2007, 11:08   #177
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Good to see Rashid with the most wickets, even if his average isn't that great. Presumably Keedy has only played on occasions when the wickets have been conducive. I'd far rather have Rashid in the side given far more long term potential and vastly better other skills. I'd take Keedy on the tour though, I think.
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Old 28th July 2007, 11:17   #178
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Good to see Rashid with the most wickets, even if his average isn't that great. Presumably Keedy has only played on occasions when the wickets have been conducive. I'd far rather have Rashid in the side given far more long term potential and vastly better other skills. I'd take Keedy on the tour though, I think.
That would certainly be my take on the spin question as well.

Ignore Blackwell's figures, that's an error on my part.
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That would certainly be my take on the spin question as well.

Ignore Blackwell's figures, that's an error on my part.
I had no great intention of taking Blackwell's figures seriously anyway. He's not a spinner in any meaningful test sense. The fact that he's had a test career is a profoundly damning indictment of the England spin reserves.
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Old 28th July 2007, 11:33   #180
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Good to see Rashid with the most wickets, even if his average isn't that great. Presumably Keedy has only played on occasions when the wickets have been conducive. I'd far rather have Rashid in the side given far more long term potential and vastly better other skills. I'd take Keedy on the tour though, I think.
I'd be more inclined to take Swann on the tour. We don't expect the third spinner to actually play, and Swann could substitute for either Rashid (as the bowler who can bat) or Monty without screwing up the balance of the team too much.

I haven't seen Swann play lately though- does he still include a half tracker every over?
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