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Old 7th August 2014, 00:05   #881
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Injuries to the England's fast bowlers (updated)

Finn
Injury free since his debut March 2010.
Oct 2012 - Hamstring, misses 1st Test v India
Dec 2012 - Minor disc damage lower back misses 4th Test in India
May 2012 - Sore shins - misses 2 ODIs v NZ
Sep 2013 - Slight side strain - misses last ODI v Australia

Bresnan
June 2006 - back injury out for 4 months and not selected for 30 man World Cup squad.
May 2010 - stress fracture of foot, misses 2nd Test v Bangladesh at OT.
Jan 2011 - calf strain, misses 5 ODIs in Australia. Goes for scan before quarter-final v SL in World Cup but played in all World Cup matches.
May 2011 - torn calf muscle v Hants. Misses Sri Lanka Tests. Replaces injured Tremlett after 1st Test v India.
Jan 2012 - misses 3 Tests in UAE and 2 ODIs after not recovering from operation to remove bone fragments from elbow.
Jan 2013 - misses tour to NZ with elbow problem. Going to USA for operation.
Aug 2013 - stress fracture of lower back, misses 5th Ashes Test and rest of the season and first 2 Ashes Tests.
Sep 2014 - Torn pectoral muscle

Tremlett
Sep 2003 - hip injury
May 2005 - back problem
Nov 2005 - selected for tour to Pakistan, had to withdraw, hamstring.
Jan 2006 - missed India tour surgery to right knee and hip
April 2006 - side strain
May 2006 - ankle
May 2006 - knee problems, misses SL ODIs
July 2007 - needed an injection to his shoulder before 1st Test v India
Sep 2007 - right foot, misses ODIs v India
Feb 2008 - leaves tour of NZ with a side strain
Aug 2008 - heel injury misses ODIs v SA
Feb 2011 - side injury after the Ashes
July 2011 - Hamstring strain and back, misses 2nd, 3rd and 4th Test v India
Jan 2012 - eye infection, misses warm up match
Jan 2012 - bulging disc in back and has back surgery. Misses 2nd and 3rd Test in UAE and Sri Lanka series.
Sep 2012 - Undergoes knee surgery to repair torn cartilage
Jan 2014 - elbow injury, leaves Big Bash to return home
Sep 2014 - operation to shoulder
(Tremlett has never played a whole season for Hants/Surrey or taken 50 wickets. Don't know what injuries he had that kept him out of the Hants side)

Broad
Nov 2008 - knee injury in warm up match before ODIs in India, plays all matches.
Sep 2009 - knee problem, misses 2 ODIs v Aus
Oct 2009 - torn buttock, misses 1 ODI in Champions Trophy.
Mar 2010 - plays in Bangladesh with a back problem but misses 3rd ODI and later rested for Bangladesh in England for strength and conditioning.
Nov 2009 - shoulder injury, misses 2 ODis v SA
Dec 2010 - abdominal muscle tear misses 3 Ashes Tests and ODIs.
Mar 2011 - side strain misses 4 ODIs in World Cup and IPL
Sep 2011 - muscle tear to shoulder misses ODI series in India
Mar 2012 - misses 2nd Test SL and IPL with calf strain
Dec 2012 - heel injury misses 2 warm up matches
May 2013 - knee injury, misses 2 ODIs v NZ
June 2013 - stiff shoulder, has cortisone injection and misses Essex warm up game.
July 2013 - misses first innings in 1st Ashes Test - hit on shoulder by Pattinson.
Dec 2013 - bruised foot, hit by Johnson, misses 2nd innings.
Jan 2014 - sore knee, misses 2 ODIs in Australia
Mar 2014 - patella tendinitis, misses two 20/20s v WI
Aug 2014 - Broad to have knee surgery and likely to miss India and SL ODIs. Recovery to be three to four months.
Aug 2014 - broken nose
Sep 2014 - operation to knee

Anderson
Sep 2003 - left knee, rested from Bangladesh tour
Nov 2003 - twisted ankle after 1st ODI in SL. Two rained off, misses 2 Tests.
Jun 2004 - bruised heel misses 2 Tests v NZ and 1 v WI
Mar 2006 - stress fracture, misses 3 Tests SL and 4 Pakistan.
Jan 2007 - leaves CB series after stiff back
Mar 2007 - breaks little finger but plays in World Cup
Nov 2007 - ankle injury misses warm up in SL
Sep 2009 - carrying knee injury from 4th Ashes Test and rested from 2 ODIs
Dec 2009 - plays 4 Tests with knee injury in SA
Jan 2010 - rested from 2 Bangladesh Tests
Oct 2010 - broken rib in Germany
Dec 2010 - back scan after Perth Ashes but plays in next 2 Ashes Tests.
May 2011 - side strain, misses 2nd Test SL
Aug 2011 - hamstring doesn't miss any Tests
Dec 2013 - cracked rib didn't miss the 3 remaining Ashes Tests. Fit again end of Feb

Seems it will be up to the surgeon whether Broad has the operation before of after the India ODIs. Same surgeon who did Meaker and Roland-Jones knees.

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When Broad gets a fivefer his confidence goes through the roof and he turns it into 6s and 7s. Anderson has got a lot of 4fers that he hasn't managed to turn into 5fers and when he gets a 5fer only twice has he gone on to add to that compared to Broad who has done it 8 times. It could depend on whether there are wickets left to take or Anderson having finished a spell and the other bowlers take the wickets in their spell. Great to have a bowler who gets on a roll like Broad.

4s - 5s - 6s - 7s
20 -14 - 1 - 1 Anderson
8 - 4 - 6 - 2 Broad

Most balls bowled by an England bowler
Tests 21910 Anderson
ODIs 8885 Anderson
20/20s 1172 Broad

Overall
31217 Anderson
28086 Botham
23140 Underwood
22009 Broad

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Old 7th August 2014, 22:36   #883
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When Broad gets a fivefer his confidence goes through the roof and he turns it into 6s and 7s. Anderson has got a lot of 4fers that he hasn't managed to turn into 5fers and when he gets a 5fer only twice has he gone on to add to that compared to Broad who has done it 8 times. It could depend on whether there are wickets left to take or Anderson having finished a spell and the other bowlers take the wickets in their spell. Great to have a bowler who gets on a roll like Broad.

4s - 5s - 6s - 7s
20 -14 - 1 - 1 Anderson
8 - 4 - 6 - 2 Broad
I was at OT and said just before he got his third we needed a Broad spurt of wickets which he duly did!
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When Broad gets a fivefer his confidence goes through the roof and he turns it into 6s and 7s. Anderson has got a lot of 4fers that he hasn't managed to turn into 5fers and when he gets a 5fer only twice has he gone on to add to that compared to Broad who has done it 8 times. It could depend on whether there are wickets left to take or Anderson having finished a spell and the other bowlers take the wickets in their spell. Great to have a bowler who gets on a roll like Broad.

4s - 5s - 6s - 7s
20 -14 - 1 - 1 Anderson
8 - 4 - 6 - 2 Broad
A long winded way of saying, after all anderson's hard work...
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A long winded way of saying, after all anderson's hard work...
I am not talking about today but in general and it could be any bowler.

Most six-wkt hauls for England in Tests:

Sydney Barnes 12,
Sir Ian Botham/D Underwood 10,
Stuart Broad 8,
Sir Alec Bedser/GLohmann 7.
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I am not talking about today but in general and it could be any bowler.
It's a joke.
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It's a joke.
True, but it's sparked off an interesting line.

I've often thought that the strength of a bowling attack is measured less by the quality of the opening bowlers, than by the strength of the change attack.

While any two fo the Windies pace attack of the seventies were great bowlers, the real strength was that there were four of them. This left left no chance for the batsmen to "see off the attack" and regroup.

So with Anderson, his performance is intrinsically linked to the strength of the other bowlers - what is coming when he finishes his spell influences both his game plan, and the batsmens' plans. Just as a recongised batsman is likely to play differently with for the seventh wicket if the side bats down to number ten than if the tail starts at eight.
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Recordo Gordon of Warwickshire- run-up like Chris Jordan, bowling action like Steve Backley. How can someone with such a blatant throwing action get through to county level without redress?
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Recordo Gordon of Warwickshire- run-up like Chris Jordan, bowling action like Steve Backley. How can someone with such a blatant throwing action get through to county level without redress?
I was surprised that nothing was said the first time he bowled. This was the third time he has been seen on tv. He is starting to throw more accurately now.

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A lot of those injuries are code for rested or dropped.
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Leading wicket takers at the grounds in England


Lords - Anderson 16 Tests 73 wickets at 25.30
Oval - Botham 11 Tests 52 wickets at 26.51
Headingley - Trueman 9 Tests 44 wickets at 18.06
Edgbaston - Trueman 7 Tests 39 wickets at 20.46
Old Trafford - Bedser 7 Tests 51 wickets at 13.45
Trent Bridge - Anderson 8 Tests 53 wickets at 19.24
Riverside - Anderson 3 Tests 17 wickets at 20.47
Sophia Gardens - Swann 2 Tests 7 wickets at 32.14
Rose Bowl - Anderson 2 Tests 11 wickets at 19.45


Lords - Gough 16 ODIs 27 wickets at 22.70
Edgbaston - Gough 11 ODIs 21 wickets at 22.66
Old Trafford - Willis 9 ODIs 15 wickets at 17.13
Oval - Anderson 15 ODIs 30 wickets at 19.26
Trent Bridge - Anderson 7 ODIs 16 wickets at 19.37
Headingley - Old 5 ODIs 12 wickets at 12.91
Rose Bowl - Swann 7 ODIs 12 wickets at 22.50
Bristol - Flintoff 4 ODIs 10 wickets at 10.80
Riverside - Swann 3 ODIs 9 wickets at 13.66
Sophia Gardens - McClenaghan 2 ODIs 7 wickets at 11.28
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How important was bounce to you? Ricky Ponting has said that it is more bounce than pace that gets batsmen out.

Speaking to the guys who were classed the best batsmen in the world - you mentioned Ricky there, [Brian] Lara, [Sachin] Tendulkar, [Rahul] Dravid, guys like that, they said they would rather face someone bowling at 150kph who skidded the ball on rather than someone who bowled mid-130s and got that bounce.

That was one of my weapons. If I tried to bowl too fast, I'd probably go a bit low and I lost that bounce, which I felt was a more dangerous weapon than an extra 4-5kph in pace. That was my strength. I could bowl good areas and I got bounce and a bit of seam movement and that brought all my catchers into play.

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How important was bounce to you? Ricky Ponting has said that it is more bounce than pace that gets batsmen out.

Speaking to the guys who were classed the best batsmen in the world - you mentioned Ricky there, [Brian] Lara, [Sachin] Tendulkar, [Rahul] Dravid, guys like that, they said they would rather face someone bowling at 150kph who skidded the ball on rather than someone who bowled mid-130s and got that bounce.

That was one of my weapons. If I tried to bowl too fast, I'd probably go a bit low and I lost that bounce, which I felt was a more dangerous weapon than an extra 4-5kph in pace. That was my strength. I could bowl good areas and I got bounce and a bit of seam movement and that brought all my catchers into play.

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Very true for spinners too, particularly those who've been successful outside the sub-continent.
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How important was bounce to you? Ricky Ponting has said that it is more bounce than pace that gets batsmen out.

Speaking to the guys who were classed the best batsmen in the world - you mentioned Ricky there, [Brian] Lara, [Sachin] Tendulkar, [Rahul] Dravid, guys like that, they said they would rather face someone bowling at 150kph who skidded the ball on rather than someone who bowled mid-130s and got that bounce.

That was one of my weapons. If I tried to bowl too fast, I'd probably go a bit low and I lost that bounce, which I felt was a more dangerous weapon than an extra 4-5kph in pace. That was my strength. I could bowl good areas and I got bounce and a bit of seam movement and that brought all my catchers into play.

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Yep, bounce and that "heavy ball" is so important.

The best bowler since Marshall. Combined bounce, control and intelligence.
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Another player called for chucking. Looks like Richardson is cleaning up the game after the India led ICC all but encouraged the bent arm.
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Why would India encourage chucking?

Maybe I've forgotten someone but they'd have surely had more to gain by preventing Murali, Ajmal etc. Who are the Indian chuckers they were trying to protect?
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Why would India encourage chucking?

Maybe I've forgotten someone but they'd have surely had more to gain by preventing Murali, Ajmal etc. Who are the Indian chuckers they were trying to protect?
Harbhajan?
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Asian cricket in general then, to counter the advantage whitey had with taall swing pace bowlers.
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Harbhajan?
Had forgotten him. Wasn't the issue with him more the darts that he chucked, rather than him chucking?

He certainly wasn't the worst offender.
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Asian cricket in general then, to counter the advantage whitey had with taall swing pace bowlers.
I think that's a conspiracy theory too far, in that it involves the conspiring of e.g. India and Pakistan, the latter of which has in any case the world's tallest bowler, and has very often had the world's best seamers.
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