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Old 18th September 2015, 20:34   #1001
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Roland-Jones really is unlucky not to have played any international cricket.
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Old 19th September 2015, 09:08   #1002
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Roland-Jones really is unlucky not to have played any international cricket.
Even more so when you realise Jade Dernbach has.
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Old 19th September 2015, 23:25   #1003
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Even more so when you realise Jade Dernbach has.
When has Roland-Jones taken 6 wickets in a Lord's Final?
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Old 4th October 2015, 14:48   #1004
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When a bowler bowls at 90-92 now it's said he is bowling fast but these really were fast balls. (taken from The Cricketer) The 10 fastest balls ....

1 Akhtar - 100.23 - Newlands 03 v England
2 Tait - 100.1 - Lords 10 v England
3 Lee - 100.1 - Napier 05 v New Zealand
4 Thomson - 99.79 - Waca 76 - Study
5 Starc - 99.6 - Waca 15 v New Zealand
6 Roberts - 99.11 - Perth 75 v Australia
7 F Edwards - 97.99 - Johannesburg 03 v South Africa
8 Johnson - 97.43 - Melbourne 13 v England
9 Sami - 97.18 - Sharjah 03 v Zimbabwe
10 Bond - 97.18 - Centurion 03 v India
111 Steyn - 97.06 - Kolkata 2010 - KKR

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Old 5th October 2015, 11:04   #1005
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There may have been other deliveries that would have made that list had speed gun technology been around a bit longer.
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Old 5th October 2015, 11:40   #1006
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There may have been other deliveries that would have made that list had speed gun technology been around a bit longer.
Several from the recently passed Frank Tyson at Melbourne in 1955.
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Old 5th October 2015, 18:10   #1007
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Larwood, particularly on the "Bodyline" tour, was quite slippery too, I understand.

I remember many Australians, probably no longer around now, expressing fond memories of his bowling and Jardine's captaincy.
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Old 5th October 2015, 18:18   #1008
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It would be better to show reaction times rather than top speed. I remember a graphic comparing hawkeyes of Fred and Harmy. Despite bowling the same speed, Fred's deliveries reached the batsmen before Harmison's as he bowled a fuller length. Harmison obviously has a higher release point which, as others have established on here, makes a small but significant difference.
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Old 5th October 2015, 18:32   #1009
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Established for those who thought it was true to begin with, perhaps.

I remember the trigonometrical discussions with great fondness.

Good point about the fullness of length having an effect on the time it takes the ball to reach the batsman, though.
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Bowling partners (updated)

60 Tests together
2286.3 overs 254 wickets at 25.67 econ 2.85 s/r 54.0 - Botham (36)
1964.4 overs 222 wickets at 24.62 econ 2.78 s/r 53.0 - Willis (35)
4251.1 overs 476 wickets at 25.18 econ 2.81 s/r 53.5
(won 25/60 bowling together - 244 wickets) 41.6% win

30 Tests together
980.4-189-3276-127 ~ 25.79 econ 3.34 s/r 46.3 - Gough (32)
1032.1-228-3089-106 ~ 29.14 econ 2.99 s/r 58.4 - Caddick (34)
2012.5-417-6365-233 ~ 27.31 econ 3.16 s/r 51.8
(won 13/30 bowling together - 139 wickets) 43.3% win

45 Tests together
1495.1-300-5025-166 ~ 30.27 econ 3.36 s/r 54.0 - Hoggard (31)
1662.4-317-5383-174 ~ 30.93 econ 3.23 s/r 57.3 - Harmison (30)
3157.5-617-10408-340 ~ 30.52 econ 3.29 s/r 55.7
(won 23/45 bowling together - 213 wickets) 51.1% win

83 Tests together
3155.5-802-9099-326 ~ 27.91 econ 2.88 s/r 58.0 - Anderson (33)
2889.0-635-8771-305 ~ 28.75 econ 3.03 s/r 56.8 - Broad (29)
6044.5-1437-17870-631 ~ 28.32 econ 2.95 s/r 57.4
(won 35/83 bowling together - 326 wickets) 42.1% win

2nd after Ambrose and Walsh - 762 wickets

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http://sports.ndtv.com/cricket/news/...-swing-ability

Nice to get praise from Younis

Other news is Meaker is bowling at 95mph at Loughborough.
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Old 10th November 2015, 00:21   #1012
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/ci/conte...ry/939033.html

Our bowlers might not be fast enough but they are 2 and 4 in the rankings ahead of Johnson, Morkel, Starc and Roach etc.

and why mention Abu Dhabi as a wicket negating their skills, Anderson 4 wickets and 2 dropped catches.

Anderson 4/72
Riaz 3/145
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Old 10th November 2015, 10:00   #1013
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Our bowlers might not be fast enough but they are 2 and 4 in the rankings ahead of Johnson, Morkel, Starc and Roach etc.
Yet more evidence for the unreliability of the rankings then.
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Old 10th November 2015, 10:26   #1014
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After the year that Anderson and Broad have had they deserve to be highly rated. Not sure Jimmy is 2nd best in the world but on performance he is certainly up there! Broad has never (IMO) bowled better.
What would the bowling attack in a World XI look like?
That is an honest question, I think that we would all choose Steyn then argue about the rest!
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More effective more often than Johnson for sure. Ditto Roach and Starc? LOL!!

The others might be more devastating on flat tracks but are inconsistent.

Oh, did Starc or Johnson take 8 wickets in one session in the Ashes? Have they ever done that? Will they? NO!!
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More effective more often than Johnson for sure. Ditto Roach and Starc? LOL!!

The others might be more devastating on flat tracks but are inconsistent.

Oh, did Starc or Johnson take 8 wickets in one session in the Ashes? Have they ever done that? Will they? NO!!
I think you will find there are an infinite number of extenuating circumstances, tangential reasons and tenuous connections that clearly prove Broad is hugely overrated.
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I think you will find there are an infinite number of extenuating circumstances, tangential reasons and tenuous connections that clearly prove Broad is hugely overrated.
Indeed. Likewise the absurdity of the ranking is highlighted by the fact there are no Yorkshire bowlers in the top 10. Tim Bresnan remains one of the best bowlers in world cricket in all formats.
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Indeed. Likewise the absurdity of the ranking is highlighted by the fact there are no Yorkshire bowlers in the top 10. Tim Bresnan remains one of the best bowlers in world cricket in all formats.
It's not the rankings that are absurd. They serve a purpose for the ICC. They give people who think they are important something to discuss.

The absurdity lies in the credibility they are given by the credulous and/or those who like to use them for point scoring when they have no real argument to put forward (see above).
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It's not the rankings that are absurd. They serve a purpose for the ICC. They give people who think they are important something to discuss.

The absurdity lies in the credibility they are given by the credulous and/or those who like to use them for point scoring when they have no real argument to put forward (see above).
Ah yes, point scoring. None of us would ever do that, would we?
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Of course, we all would. Some, however, do it effectively.
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