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Old 19th March 2016, 11:11   #1061
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And now they have Starc, Pattinson, Cummins, Counter-Nile, Kane Richardson and Billy Stanlake.

Pakistan's stable of quicks doesn't look bad either.
Will Pattinson and Cummins be off the treatment table for long enough to count? I'm not sure Coulter-Nile or Richardson are really that quick either. I will confess I know nothing about Stanlake.
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Old 19th March 2016, 11:32   #1062
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NCN a similar pace to Hazlewood I think. Richardson an LOI specialist I think, at least at international level.
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Old 19th March 2016, 12:05   #1063
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NCN a similar pace to Hazlewood I think. Richardson an LOI specialist I think, at least at international level.
I doubt you will see much more of Richardson when everyone is fit. ODIs 38.57, 20/20s 82.00 Last game 82-86, so I wouldn't say he is fast.
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NCN bowls at a different pace in first class cricket than he does in limited overs stuff, he can bowl both fast or medium.

Kane may have slowed down in the last year, but he certainly did have pace.

Stanlake is definitely one to watch out for in the future.
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Old 19th March 2016, 12:37   #1065
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Taskin Ahmed and Arafat Sunny suspended by ICC for illegal bowling actions.
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Old 19th March 2016, 13:26   #1066
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Taskin Ahmed and Arafat Sunny suspended by ICC for illegal bowling actions.
Sunny fair enough , but cannot believe Taskin, few of his deliveries were found to be illegal, i think if you are banning him, then all international bowlers need testing.
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Yes, extremely disappointing to hear Taskin has been banned. I've never seen anything wrong with his action when I've seen him, so it's a complete surprise and a shame for Bangladesh who are developing a very good team.
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Old 21st March 2016, 12:22   #1068
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It seems almost political.
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Old 21st March 2016, 15:43   #1069
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Was looking at Steyn's figures against England.

Tests 31.62 - his worst bowling average against any country (career 22.53)
ODIs 49.30 again worst average (career 25.93)
20/20s 34.28 (career 17.12)

Wonder why?

KP isn't around any more. Steyn v KP in Tests - bowling 76.5 econ 4.96 s/r 92.5
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It seems almost political.
That is what many of Bangladeshi fans think, especially after the Dhoni photo incident.

This is from the supreme court lawyer with links to the BCB in BD initially posted on FB now going around in Indian media.

"Generally, I do not give posts about my professional work, but since this issue concerns Taskin and the Tigers, I feel constrained to share this.

Since Taskin and Sunny were reported, I have been consulted by BCB regarding its response. Initially, ICC was insisting that they be tested immediately, i.e. on 9 March. I helped BCB draft correspondence pointing out that the testing could be deferred under the Regulations until after the preliminary matches. ICC concurred, and Taskin could play against Ireland and Oman.

I have now gone through Taskin's Independent Assessment Report, which BCB forwarded to me. I also revisited the ICC Regulations for the Review of Bowlers Reported with Suspected Illegal Bowling Actions, and also Taskin's initial Match Officials' Report which I saw earlier.

The Assessment did not find anything illegal with Taskin's stock and yorker deliveries. With respect to the 9 bouncers he was asked to bowl, they found that 3 were bowled using an illegal bowling action.

Here is where it gets interesting:

First, Regulation 2.2.6 provides that "(d)uring the Independent Assessment, the Player shall be required to replicate the specific bowling action for which he/she was reported." The footage of his bowling in the match where he was reported is available. It shows that during the course of the match, he did not bowl any bouncer. Not even one. So, he could not have been reported for bowling a bouncer. The Match Officials' Report from the Netherlands match did not specify any particular delivery/type of delivery. Indeed, it simply stated that they were "concerned with the legality of the action". Be that as it may, he was not reported for his bouncer.

It appears that during the Independent Assessment, Taskin was asked to bowl 9 bouncers. Even accounting for the fact that the ICC Standard Analysis Protocols contained in Annexure I of the Regulations allow for Taskin to be asked to bowl, among others, a minimum of 6 bouncers,on a proper reading of Regulation 2.2.6, such bouncers cannot be taken into account in his assessment, as he has not been reported for bowling a bouncer. In this regard, to the extent there would appear to be a conflict between Regulation 2.2.6 and the Protocols, the Regulation will prevail, as the Protocols cannot override, and shall be regarded as supplemental to, the Regulations.

Taskin's action insofar as his good length (stock) delivery and yorker being found legal, and these being the only deliveries bowled during the course of the match for which he was reported, it is clear that he did not employ an Illegal Bowling Action during the match in issue. Therefore, he cannot be suspended and his reporting by the Match Officials was wrong. The Regulations are designed to ascertain whether the Player bowled any illegal delivery during the match: the Regulations do not contemplate suspending a bowler for delivering an illegal delivery in test conditions, when that delivery was not bowled during the match.

It should be noted here that Taskin was asked to bowl the bouncers in quick succession during the Assessment (9 in 3 minutes!), something which he would not be doing in match situations, as in T20, a bowler can bowl only one bouncer an over. The report shows that only 3 of his 9 bouncers were bowled with an illegal action; these were the deliveries which were also the slowest. Before the Assessment, Taskin had traveled a lot and went through preparation for and playing 3 international matches in a short period of time; it's natural that he was suffering from fatigue, and his technique on the odd delivery fell away when asked to bowl 9 bouncers in quick succession .

Secondly, according to Regulation 2.1.1, the Match Officials' Report should detail "their concerns about the bowling action of the relevant Player, including, where relevant, whether those concerns relate to the Player's bowling action generally or whether they relate to one or more specific types of delivery." For Taskin, the Report simply stated that the Match Officials were "concerned about the legality of the bowling action". If one goes through the form for the Report, it also requires the Match Officials to state the reasons why they are so concerned; in Taskin's case, no such reason was given. Hence, to begin with, there is also an issue of whether the Match Officials' Report was a competent/compliant one, on the basis of which there could have been an Assessment in the first place.

Thirdly, Regulation 2.2.13 provides that "where the Independent Assessment concludes that the Player employed an Illegal Bowling Action during the Independent Assessment in respect of a specific type of delivery only, other than his stock delivery, the Player will be allowed to continue bowling in International Cricket but subject to the warning that should he continue to bowl any of the specific type(s) of delivery for which he has been found to have an Illegal Bowling Action, he will run the risk of being cited a second time". Since Taskin's stock delivery has been found legal, and only 3 of his 9 bouncers illegal, he can, at best, be warned, and not suspended.

In short, Taskin is the victim of a miscarriage of justice.

I have advised BCB to use the above to seek a review under Regulation 2.3.1, and later escalate it in arbitration up to the Court of Arbitration for Sports in Switzerland.

There is a limit to such farce."
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Old 21st March 2016, 18:36   #1071
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Thanks Huda.

I'm sure it's just coincidence that they'll miss the Australia and India matches.

Who knows, maybe they'll even be cleared in time for the NZ match if it then becomes handy for Bangladesh to win?
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Interesting stuff and another glowing reference for our wonderful leaders.
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Great post Huda, thanks for that.
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And all because some fellow photoshopped a picture which had both Taksin and Dhoni?
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A light hearted look at the wickets taken of batsmen who average over 50.00.

Just picked ten bowlers who have taken 300+ wickets. Has no bearing on who the best bowlers were/are.

Broad stands out.

Broad - de Villiers (10) Amla (7) SSmith (6) YKhan (5) Warner (5) Chanderpaul (5) Tendulkar (3) Ponting (3) MHussey (3) Kallis (3) Dravid (2) Voges (2) Sangakkara (1) Yousuf (1) - 16.8%

Anderson - Tendulkar (9) Kallis (7) Sangakkara (7) Warner (7) SSmith (5) Dravid (5) Chanderpaul (4) Ponting (4) Mathews (3) de Villiers (3) Hussey (3) Amla (2) Voges (1) YKhan (1) Yousuf (1) Lara (1) - 14.5%

Zaheer Khan - Hayden (10) Sangakkara (6) Ponting (5) Hussey (5) de Villiers (3) Kallis (3) Amla (2) YKhan (2) Chanderpaul (2) Lara (2) Warner (1) Flower (1) Yousuf (1) SWaugh (1) Mathews (1) - 13.5%

Ntini - Hayden (9) Ponting (6) Chanderpaul (5) Sangakkara (4) Tendulkar (4) Lara (4) Dravid (3) Hussey (3) YKhan (2) Yousuf (2) SWaugh (1) Hodge (1) - 11.2%

Johnson - Amla (7) de Villiers (5) Kallis (5) Root (4) Dravid (4) Tendulkar (3) Mathews (2) Sangakkara (2) Yousuf (1) YKhan (1) - 10.8%

Pollock - Dravid (6) Chanderpaul (5) Hayden (4) Ponting (4) Tendulkar (4) YKhan (4) Yousuf (3) Lara (3) Flower (3) Sangakkara (2) Hussey (1) Hodge (1) - 9.5%

Vaas - Ponting (6) Flower (5) Hayden (4) Tendulkar (3) Dravid (3) YKhan (3) Kallis (3) Chanderpaul (3) Yousuf (1) Lara (1) - 9.1%

McGrath - Lara (15) Kallis (6) Tendulkar (6) YKhan (5) Chanderpaul (5) Dravid (5) Yousuf (3) Flower (2) de Villiers (1) - 8.5%

Steyn - Hussey (7) YKhan (6) Ponting (4) Chanderpaul (3) Warner (3) Tendulkar (3) Hayden (3) Mathews (2) Sangakkara (2) Dravid (2) - 8.5%

Lee - Dravid (7) Tendulkar (5) Chanderpaul (3) de Villiers (3) Kallis (3) Lara (2) Amla (1) YKhan (1) - 8%
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Bowling partners (updated)

60 Tests together
2286.3 overs 254 wickets at 25.67 econ 2.85 s/r 54.0 - Botham (36)
1964.4 overs 222 wickets at 24.62 econ 2.78 s/r 53.0 - Willis (35)
4251.1 overs 476 wickets at 25.18 econ 2.81 s/r 53.5
(won 25/60 bowling together - 244 wickets) 41.6% win

30 Tests together
980.4-189-3276-127 ~ 25.79 econ 3.34 s/r 46.3 - Gough (32)
1032.1-228-3089-106 ~ 29.14 econ 2.99 s/r 58.4 - Caddick (34)
2012.5-417-6365-233 ~ 27.31 econ 3.16 s/r 51.8
(won 13/30 bowling together - 139 wickets) 43.3% win

45 Tests together
1495.1-300-5025-166 ~ 30.27 econ 3.36 s/r 54.0 - Hoggard (31)
1662.4-317-5383-174 ~ 30.93 econ 3.23 s/r 57.3 - Harmison (30)
3157.5-617-10408-340 ~ 30.52 econ 3.29 s/r 55.7
(won 23/45 bowling together - 213 wickets) 51.1% win

88 Tests together
3323.4-849-9479-355 ~ 26.70 econ 2.85 s/r 56.1 - Anderson (34)
3054.0-674-9230-323 ~ 28.57 econ 3.02 s/r 56.7 - Broad (30)
6377.4-1523-18709-678 ~ 27.59 econ 2.93 s/r 56.4
(won 39/88 bowling together - 368 wickets) 44.3% win

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Injuries to the England's fast bowlers
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Broad
Nov 2008 - knee injury in warm up match before ODIs in India, plays all matches.
Sep 2009 - knee problem, misses 2 ODIs v Aus
Oct 2009 - torn buttock, misses 1 ODI in Champions Trophy.
Mar 2010 - plays in Bangladesh with a back problem but misses 3rd ODI and later rested for Bangladesh at home for S&C
Nov 2009 - shoulder injury, misses 2 ODIs v SA
Dec 2010 - abdominal muscle tear misses 3 Ashes Tests and ODIs.
Mar 2011 - side strain misses 4 ODIs in World Cup and IPL
Sep 2011 - muscle tear to shoulder misses ODI series in India
Mar 2012 - misses 2nd Test SL and IPL with calf strain
Dec 2012 - heel injury misses 2 warm up matches
May 2013 - knee injury, misses 2 ODIs v NZ
Jun 2013 - stiff shoulder, has cortisone injection and misses Essex warm up game.
July 2013 - misses first innings in 1st Ashes Test - hit on shoulder by Pattinson.
Dec 2013 - bruised foot, hit by Johnson, misses 2nd innings.
Jan 2014 - sore knee, misses 2 ODIs in Australia
Mar 2014 - patella tendinitis, misses two 20/20s v WI
Aug 2014 - Broad to have knee surgery and likely to miss the SL ODIs. Recovery to be three to four months.
Aug 2014 - broken nose
Sep 2014 - operation to knee

Anderson
Sep 2003 - left knee, rested from Bangladesh tour
Nov 2003 - twisted ankle after 1st ODI in SL. Two rained off, misses 2 Tests.
Jun 2004 - bruised heel misses 2 Tests v NZ and 1 v WI
Mar 2006 - stress fracture, misses 3 Tests/5 ODIs SL and 4 Tests/5 ODIs Pak
Jan 2007 - leaves CB series after stiff back
Mar 2007 - breaks little finger but plays in World Cup
Nov 2007 - ankle injury misses warm up in SL
Sep 2009 - carrying knee injury from 4th Ashes Test and rested from 2 ODIs
Dec 2009 - plays 4 Tests with knee injury in SA
Jan 2010 - rested from Bangladesh tour 2 Tests
Oct 2010 - broken rib in Germany
Dec 2010 - back scan after Perth Ashes but plays in next 2 Ashes Tests.
May 2011 - side strain, misses 2nd Test SL
Aug 2011 - hamstring doesn't miss any Tests
Dec 2013 - cracked rib didn't miss the 3 remaining Ashes Tests. Fit again end of Feb
Nov 2014 - given an extra six weeks to recover from a knee niggle and misses SL ODIs
Jan 2015 - stiff groin, misses 1st ODI in Australia
July 2015 - side strain, misses 4th & 5th Ashes Test
Dec 2015 - stiff calf, misses 1st Test v SA
June 2016 - shoulder injury .. misses f/c game for Lancs & 1st Test Pak

Finn
Injury free since his debut March 2010.
Oct 2012 - hamstring, misses 1st Test v India
Dec 2012 - minor disc damage lower back misses 4th Test in India
May 2012 - sore shins - misses 2 ODIs v NZ
Sep 2013 - slight side strain - misses last ODI v Australia
Nov 2014 - groin strain, misses 1 ODI in SL
Oct 2015 - stress injury to left foot, misses 3 Tests in UAE, ODIs and 20/20. Plays Lions
Jan 2016 - stiff side misses 4th Test in SA and ODIs and 20/20s
Feb 2016 - calf injury misses 20/20 World Cup

Stokes
Jun 2011 - dislocated finger, out for 6 to 8 weeks
Nov 2011 - out for six months after surgery on right index finger
May 2012 - back injury, misses Lions v WI at home
Mar 2014 - fractured right wrist, has surgery & misses 20/20 WC and first month of the season
Nov 2015 - injured collarbone in 3rd Test. Out of ODIs and 20/20s in UAE
May 2016 - knee injury misses 2nd innings 1st Test v SL and out for 6 weeks.
July 2016 - left calf injury - misses 2nd inns 2nd Test Pak

Wood
Sep 2013 - torn side muscle
Feb 2014 - side strain in warm up game Lions v Sri Lanka, out mid July to end of Sep
Jul 2015 - ankle injury - misses 2nd Ashes Test
Oct 2015 - ankle injury - misses 3rd Test in UAE, 2nd cortisone injection in 6 months
Nov 2015 - has ankle operation and misses Tests and ODIs and 20/20 in SA
April 2016 - has second operation of his ankle

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Bowlers still going - 200+ wickets

459 - Anderson (33)
417 - Harbhajan (35)
406 - Steyn (33)
352 - Broad (29)
313 - Herath (37)
242 - Morkel (30)
208 - Siddle (31)
201 - Sharma (27)

195 - Lyon
183 - Ashwin
178 - Ajmal
167 - Panesar
166 - Southee
165 - Edwards
163 - Gul
147 - Al-Hasan, Boult
130 - Taylor
126 - Philander
122 - Roach
120 - Finn
113 - Ohja
102 - Starc

Herath joins the 300 club.

http://www.cricket.com.au/news/james...hes/2016-06-04

I was wondering about Steyn also getting there. Needs 157 wickets. He has played 48 Tests in five and a half years. He takes 4.95 wickets per game. Will there be enough Tests? He will soon be 33. He will need to play 31 Tests. That will take him to Oct 18. He will be 35 and a half.

Anderson needs 112 at 3.92 per Test so 28 Tests which should take him to May 18 at 36 years of age. Two years. Maybe but I think it will be the 500 wickets mark that he reaches.

Broad, 30 in a few days so another 5 years. 220 wickets needed at 3.68 a wicket. 59 Tests which is exactly what he has played since 2010. So if he stays fit he should just make it.

The three of them will have to be fit and not miss any Tests. Hmm.... Can't see any other bowlers that might get there.

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It's asking a lot of any of them, although Anderson as the closest and a guy with a beautiful, economical bowling action, a good injury record and quite a lot of protection from non test cricket clearly has the best chance. Steyn could, of course, have a nice run of fitness and form over 30 but his recent record on injuries and form has been poor.
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It's asking a lot of any of them, although Anderson as the closest and a guy with a beautiful, economical bowling action, a good injury record and quite a lot of protection from non test cricket clearly has the best chance. Steyn could, of course, have a nice run of fitness and form over 30 but his recent record on injuries and form has been poor.
Anderson would be better playing ODIs so that he gets enough bowling. Less overs will result in injuries as he is used to bowling 500-600+ overs a year not 330/350 overs. Even county bowlers bowl about 500 overs in a season. Broad is fine however many overs he bowls.

He especially needs overs before a 1st Test.

Before NZ 0 overs for 3 weeks - 6 at 43.00
Ashes 0 overs for 5 weeks - first 2 Tests 3 wickets at 71.00
UAE 85 overs with Lancs - 13 at 15.61
SA 0 overs for 8 weeks - 7 at 43.00
SL 115.5 with Lancs - 18 at 7.72
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