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Old 11th July 2016, 18:17   #1101
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How many was Pattinson?

(Are these easy to work out or are you adding up all their overs in which case I wan't throw up any more names...)
Pattinson 11 f/c matches, 5 in Australia and 6 for Notts.. he was nearly 29. I never realised how few matches he had played since he was quite old in bowling terms.

329.5 overs

How is this for a record..
Malcolm Marshall (20) had bowled 119.4 f/c overs before his first Test. 4 matches!!!!
He made his first class debut in India.

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Old 11th July 2016, 19:20   #1102
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Pattinson 11 f/c matches, 5 in Australia and 6 for Notts.. he was nearly 29. I never realised how few matches he had played since he was quite old in bowling terms.

329.5 overs

How is this for a record..
Malcolm Marshall (20) had bowled 119.4 f/c overs before his first Test. 4 matches!!!!
He made his first class debut in India.
I think 4 matches was a full fc season in West Indies then though.

Plus have you seen the attack Barbados had?

Check out this http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Sc.../38/38996.html.

That might just be the best attack ever fielded (although they went for 541 runs )

Their bowling options in the late 70s/early 80s included: Joel Garner, Sylvester Clarke, Wayne Daniel, Vanburn Holder (c), Ezra Moseley, Franklyn Stephenson, Hartley Alleyne, Milton Small; plus Collis King and/or Keith Boyce as all-rounders and Albert Padmore and David Holford as spin options.

Oh, plus of course the greatest bowler ever.

If you could get in ahead of those guys then you could get in the West Indies team.
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Old 11th July 2016, 22:45   #1103
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Wayne Daniel, for one, would have played 80 plus tests for any other test nation around at the time he was playing. He was an absolute beast of a fast bowler.
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Old 27th July 2016, 11:39   #1104
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Most Test wickets at home by a pace bowler
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Bowlers and Test matches missed.

Since Broad made his debut in Dec 2007 both he and Anderson have played 102 Tests out of 118, and missed 16 Tests each in 9 years.

Hazelwood 30/31 (96.7%)
Boult 50/56 (89.2)
Broad 102/118 (86.4)
Philander 43/53 (81.1)
Morkel 74/96 (77.0)
Steyn 85/120 (70.8)
Southee 57/84 (67.8)
Anderson 122/180 (67.7)
Starc 36/66 (54.5)
Finn 36/88 (40.9)

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Old 5th August 2016, 00:54   #1105
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Where's our Flintoff? Where's our Simon Jones? Bowlers who could get the ball to reverse swing on the flattest of decks and also had that aggression which not only lifted the crowd but their team mates around them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH2UnMxR3IM
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Old 7th August 2016, 22:35   #1106
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Where's our Flintoff? Where's our Simon Jones? Bowlers who could get the ball to reverse swing on the flattest of decks and also had that aggression which not only lifted the crowd but their team mates around them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH2UnMxR3IM
If only we had some bowlers who could take wickets on flat tracks eh?
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If only we had some bowlers who could take wickets on flat tracks eh?
Still, that was some over
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Old 7th August 2016, 23:23   #1108
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Still, that was some over
The one with Langer and Ponting? Funnily enough I linked that on the Betfair site only this week after someone said he couldn't recall a batsman bowled off his elbow, when the WI opener was out that way.

I think our current attack is the best I recall us having. I may be getting over excited about Woakes the destroyer and I'm not sure about Finn or Stokes being amazing but to have one of them as a fourth seamer is pretty seriously good.
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Old 7th August 2016, 23:31   #1109
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Bowling partners (updated)

60 Tests together
2286.3 overs 254 wickets at 25.67 econ 2.85 s/r 54.0 - Botham (36)
1964.4 overs 222 wickets at 24.62 econ 2.78 s/r 53.0 - Willis (35)
4251.1 overs 476 wickets at 25.18 econ 2.81 s/r 53.5
(won 25/60 bowling together - 244 wickets) 41.6% win

30 Tests together
980.4-189-3276-127 ~ 25.79 econ 3.34 s/r 46.3 - Gough (32)
1032.1-228-3089-106 ~ 29.14 econ 2.99 s/r 58.4 - Caddick (34)
2012.5-417-6365-233 ~ 27.31 econ 3.16 s/r 51.8
(won 13/30 bowling together - 139 wickets) 43.3% win

45 Tests together
1495.1-300-5025-166 ~ 30.27 econ 3.36 s/r 54.0 - Hoggard (31)
1662.4-317-5383-174 ~ 30.93 econ 3.23 s/r 57.3 - Harmison (30)
3157.5-617-10408-340 ~ 30.52 econ 3.29 s/r 55.7
(won 23/45 bowling together - 213 wickets) 51.1% win

88 Tests together
3323.4-849-9479-355 ~ 26.70 econ 2.85 s/r 56.1 - Anderson (34)
3054.0-674-9230-323 ~ 28.57 econ 3.02 s/r 56.7 - Broad (30)
6377.4-1523-18709-678 ~ 27.59 econ 2.93 s/r 56.4
(won 39/88 bowling together - 368 wickets) 44.3% win
You also need to add Truman and Statham.
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Where's our Flintoff? Where's our Simon Jones? Bowlers who could get the ball to reverse swing on the flattest of decks and also had that aggression which not only lifted the crowd but their team mates around them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FH2UnMxR3IM
Simon Jones's career was curtailed by injury. We'll never know if he would have maintained his level of success or got better, or fallen by the wayside like many others. Flintoff was someone who could make an impact, but who over an 11 year career and 79 tests claimed only three five-wicket hauls. He certainly lifted the crowd and his team-mates but so can Anderson and Broad when on song. Our "impact" player now is Ben Stokes who when things are flat - not necessarily the pitch, but the team, the energy, etc - can make something happen with bat and/or ball. And, of course, when not injured.
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Woakes is a better bowler than any of them.

This may actually even be true.
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Woakes is a better bowler than any of them.

This may actually even be true.
A bowling average of 25 suggests he is not bad! Once in a generation given his batting?
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You also need to add Truman and Statham.
35 Tests
1387.2 3684 143 wickets at 25.76 econ 2.65 s/r 58.2 - Trueman
1494.3 3626 141 wickets at 25.71 econ 2.42 s/r 63.5 - Statham
2881.5 7219 284 wickets at 25.41 econ 2.50 s/r 60.8
(won 13/35 bowling together - 141 wickets) 37.1% win

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You've got one of the averages wrong. Sorry. To be slightly more helpful think it's Trueman who should be 25.06.
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You've got one of the averages wrong. Sorry. To be slightly more helpful think it's Trueman who should be 25.06.
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Okay, in that case you've got the number of runs he went for wrong by 100 and hence the composite average is also wrong. The clue was that their combined average was allegedly lower than both of their individual averages.
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My favorite bowler is Ashwin. He spins very well and I think he deserves to be called as world's best spinner. Don't you agree?

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My favorite bowler is Ashwin. He spins very well and I think he deserves to be called as world's best spinner. Don't you agree?
I, for one, do not. He goes for too many variations and do not use his off spin enough. When the conditions aren't helpful, he barely turns the ball as well.
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