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Old 30th September 2016, 18:31   #1141
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Injuries to the England's fast bowlers
Centrally contracted bowlers

Anderson - Test debut May 2003
Sep 2003 - left knee, rested from Bangladesh tour
Nov 2003 - twisted ankle after 1st ODI in SL. Two rained off, misses 2 Tests.
Jun 2004 - bruised heel misses 2 Tests v NZ and 1 v WI
Mar 2006 - stress fracture, misses 3 Tests/5 ODIs SL and 4 Tests/5 ODIs Pak
Jan 2007 - leaves CB series after stiff back
Mar 2007 - breaks little finger but plays in World Cup
Nov 2007 - ankle injury misses warm up in SL
Sep 2009 - carrying knee injury from 4th Ashes Test and rested from 2 ODIs
Dec 2009 - plays 4 Tests with knee injury in SA
Jan 2010 - rested from Bangladesh tour 2 Tests
Oct 2010 - broken rib in Germany
Dec 2010 - back scan after Perth Ashes but plays in next 2 Ashes Tests.
May 2011 - side strain, misses 2nd Test SL
Aug 2011 - hamstring doesn't miss any Tests
Dec 2013 - cracked rib didn't miss the 3 remaining Ashes Tests. Fit again end of Feb
Nov 2014 - given an extra six weeks to recover from a knee niggle and misses SL ODIs
Jan 2015 - stiff groin, misses 1st ODI in Australia
July 2015 - side strain, misses 4th & 5th Ashes Test
Dec 2015 - stiff calf, misses 1st Test v SA
June 2016 - shoulder injury .. misses f/c game for Lancs & 1st Test Pak
Aug 2016 - ongoing shoulder rehab - misses 2 cc games
Sep 2016 - ongoing shoulder rehab - misses 2 Tests in Bangladesh in Oct and 1st Test in India Nov and misses 5th Test due to stiff body
May 2017 - groin tear

Broad - Test debut Dec 2007
Nov 2008 - knee injury in warm up match before ODIs in India, plays all matches.
Sep 2009 - knee problem, misses 2 ODIs v Aus
Oct 2009 - torn buttock, misses 1 ODI in Champions Trophy.
Mar 2010 - plays in Bangladesh with a back problem but misses 3rd ODI & rested for Ban home for S&C
Nov 2009 - shoulder injury, misses 2 ODIs v SA
Dec 2010 - abdominal muscle tear misses 3 Ashes Tests and ODIs.
Mar 2011 - side strain misses 4 ODIs in World Cup and IPL
Sep 2011 - muscle tear to shoulder misses ODI series in India
Mar 2012 - misses 2nd Test SL and IPL with calf strain
Dec 2012 - heel injury misses 2 warm up matches
May 2013 - knee injury, misses 2 ODIs v NZ
Jun 2013 - stiff shoulder, has cortisone injection and misses Essex warm up game.
July 2013 - misses first innings in 1st Ashes Test - hit on shoulder by Pattinson.
Dec 2013 - bruised foot, hit by Johnson, misses 2nd innings.
Jan 2014 - sore knee, misses 2 ODIs in Australia
Mar 2014 - patella tendinitis, misses two 20/20s v WI
Aug 2014 - Broad to have knee surgery and likely to miss the SL ODIs. Recovery 3 to 4 months.
Aug 2014 - broken nose
Sep 2014 - operation to knee
Aug 2016 - stress reaction in left ankle. Rested from cc games
Nov 2016 - toe tendon injury
Dec 2017 - heel problems emerge and and knee. Having fluid drained from it and a scan

Finn - Test debut Mar 2010
Oct 2012 - hamstring, misses 1st Test v India
Dec 2012 - minor disc damage lower back misses 4th Test in India
May 2012 - sore shins - misses 2 ODIs v NZ
Sep 2013 - slight side strain - misses last ODI v Australia
Nov 2014 - groin strain, misses 1 ODI in SL
Oct 2015 - stress injury to left foot, misses 3 Tests in UAE, ODIs and 20/20. Plays Lions
Jan 2016 - stiff side misses 4th Test in SA and ODIs and 20/20s
Feb 2016 - calf injury misses 20/20 World Cup
Aug 2016 - torn hamstring in 4th Test v Pak. Out for 4 weeks.

Woakes - Test debut Aug 2013
May 2011 - sore shins - misses out Lions v Sri Lanka
Oct 2011 - strained quad, misses out ODIs v India
Mar 2015 - metarsal stress reaction, misses out last ODI in WC and out of West Indies tour
Apr 2015 - knee problem, operation for a meniscal tear, misses England v NZ Tests
Sep 2015 - right thigh problem, misses last 2 ODIs v Aus
Nov 2016 - cracked finger and knee niggle
May 2017 - quad niggle, misses 2nd ODI v SA
Jun 2017 - side strain

Stokes - Test debut Dec 2013
Jun 2011 - dislocated finger, out for 6 to 8 weeks
Nov 2011 - out for six months after surgery on right index finger
May 2012 - back injury, misses Lions v WI at home
Mar 2014 - fractured right wrist, has surgery & misses 20/20 WC and first month of the season
Nov 2015 - injured collarbone in 3rd Test. Out of ODIs and 20/20s in UAE
May 2016 - knee injury misses 2nd innings 1st Test v SL and out for 6 weeks.
July 2016 - torn left calf muscle - misses 2nd inns 2nd Test and 3rd Test against Pakistan
May 2017 - sore shoulder in IPL, knee soreness in 1st ODI v SA only bowls 2 overs

Wood - Test debut May 2015
Sep 2013 - torn side muscle
Feb 2014 - side strain in warm up game Lions v Sri Lanka, out mid July to end of Sep
Jul 2015 - ankle injury - misses 2nd Ashes Test
Oct 2015 - ankle injury - misses 3rd Test in UAE, 2nd cortisone injection in 6 months
Nov 2015 - has ankle operation and misses Tests and ODIs and 20/20 in SA
April 2016 - has second operation of his ankle
Sep 2016 - ankle injury recurrence, misses ODIs and Tests in Bangladesh
Oct 2016 - needs 3rd operation to ankle which is broken. Misses India series. Out for 3 months
Apr 2017 - groin strain, misses county game
July 2017 - heel injury, misses 3rd Test v SA

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Old 3rd October 2016, 20:36   #1142
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Anderson admits he came back too soon for the Pakistan Tests and did more damage to his shoulder
Hugely embarrassing for Strauss and those who used Jimmy not being picked for the first test as an excuse to call for the selection committee to be overhauled.

Also hard to now trust Jimmy's word. That's now twice he's come back from injury too soon in the last 12 months. If he comes back from this - by no means certain - he'll really have to prove his fitness before England can trust him.
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Old 4th October 2016, 01:28   #1143
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Hugely embarrassing for Strauss and those who used Jimmy not being picked for the first test as an excuse to call for the selection committee to be overhauled.

Also hard to now trust Jimmy's word. That's now twice he's come back from injury too soon in the last 12 months. If he comes back from this - by no means certain - he'll really have to prove his fitness before England can trust him.
I make that once in 14 years.
Since 2010 he has bowled the most overs and had the least injuries.

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Old 8th October 2016, 19:08   #1144
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Rabada, yes because of his age, 376.2 overs in Tests, ODIs and 20/20s in the last year. Steyn 170.2 Meanwhile Boult 539.4 and Hazlewood 509.4 with Hazlewood having a rest.

Steyn might be carrying an injury or not getting over his last one. Saw him holding his shoulder quite a lot in the ODIs though he was bowling at his normal speeds.

So many competitions Test, ODIs, 20/20s and world domestic 20/20s.
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Old 4th November 2016, 22:36   #1145
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Interesting that both JA and DS are both suffering shoulder problems currently. DS may be related to a non-cricket injury but is like Anderson's is quite unusual so makes rehab harder.
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Old 5th November 2016, 02:41   #1146
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Interesting that both JA and DS are both suffering shoulder problems currently. DS may be related to a non-cricket injury but is like Anderson's is quite unusual so makes rehab harder.
Steyn made his debut in 2004 and had a long run injury free.

Aug 08 - broken thumb
Oct 08 - mystery virus
Dec 08 - hamstring strain
Dec 09 - hamstring strain
Feb 11 - bruised right side
Jun 13 - side strain
Jun 13 - stiffness groin area
Oct 13 - tight hamstring
Nov 13 - sidestrain
Jan 14 - fractured rib
Mar 14 - hamstring
Nov 15 - groin strain
Dec 15 - shoulder strain
Jan 16 - shoulder strain
Feb 16 - groin strain
Nov 16 - shoulder fracture
Jan 17 - bruised heel

Never had any knee or ankle problems like our bowlers, Anderson, Broad, Woakes and Stokes. He and Finn don't have a high leap at the crease and maybe they have not suffered with ankle/knee problems.

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Interesting that both JA and DS are both suffering shoulder problems currently. DS may be related to a non-cricket injury but is like Anderson's is quite unusual so makes rehab harder.
What was the non-cricket injury?
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Fast bowlers playing their 100th Test

Kapil Dev - Karachi 1989 v Pakistan 7/151 MOM - 354 wickets (30)
Botham - Wellington 1992 v New Zealand 3/76 - 383 wickets (36)
Walsh - Georgetown 1998 v England - 5/72 - 367 wickets (35)
Akram - Faisalabad 2000 v England 1/82 - 409 wickets (34)
McGrath - Nagpur 2004 v India - 5/106 - 451 wickets (34)
Pollock - Centurion 2006 v New Zealand 2/65 - 391 wickets (32)
Kallis - Centurion 2006 v New Zealand 1/41 - 197 wickets (30)
Vaas - Kandy 2007 v England 5/132 - 325 wickets (33)
Ntini - Centurion 2009 v England 2/119 - 390 wickets (32)
Anderson - Antigua 2015 v West Indies 4/139 - 384 wickets (32)
Broad - Rajkot 2016 v India ..... 361 wickets (30)

Botham played 2 more Tests without picking up a wicket
Centurion 2006 was 100th Test for Kallis, Pollock and Fleming
No one picked up a 5fer in their 100th Test and the only player to win MOM was Kapil Dev

Spinners

Warne - Newlands 2002 v South Africa 8/231 MOM - 444 wickets (31)
Kumble - Ahmedabad Dec 2005 v Sri Lanka 7/176 - 485 wickets (35)
Murali - Chittagong 2006 v Bangladesh 9/141 - 593 wickets (33)
Vettori - Hamilton 2010 v Australia 6/176 - 325 wickets (31)
Harbhajan - Chennai 2013 v Australia 3/142 - 411 wickets (32)

Dobell mentioning today that Botham, Broad and Anderson have very similar stats

28.28 econ 2.98 s/r 56.9
28.40 econ 2.99 s/r 56.9
28.48 econ 3.00 s/r 56.8

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Kapil, Vass, Pollock and Botham were certainly not remotely in the quickish category by the time they played their 100th test. Mike Atherton memorably wrote about playing Kapil in 1990 that the 'Haryana hurricane had descended to something like a gentle breeze'. Beefy was lucky to get too many tests after the 1986-87 Ashes on account of his bowling capacity as he was nigh on slow-medium.
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What was the non-cricket injury?
Possibly trauma caused by an RTC according to cricinfo.
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Possibly trauma caused by an RTC according to cricinfo.
what's RTC? sounds like a rock band.
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Then you think in terms of how many accurate quick bouncers a guy can bowl. Surely he will tire? Surely he will lose pace? Surely there will be bad balls? Neil Wagner, though, keeps coming, ball after ball, bouncer after bouncer, with intensity, turning the tables, asking the batsman how much patience and agility he has to keep avoiding the various bouncers, because hooking or ramping them with the fields he has is difficult. And he doesn't stop at five-over spells.

"For me, I pride myself in being someone who can do it ten overs on the trot," Wagner says. "

He is really one of a kind. No one else bowls like he does. I doubt if a bowler can bowl 3 overs of bouncers as it takes alot out of the body. Probably one of my five best fast bowlers. It's near the end of 2016 and in all forms he has bowled over 700 overs with 2 Tests to play.
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Bowling partners (updated)

60 Tests together
2286.3 overs 254 wickets at 25.67 econ 2.85 s/r 54.0 - Botham (36)
1964.4 overs 222 wickets at 24.62 econ 2.78 s/r 53.0 - Willis (35)
4251.1 overs 476 wickets at 25.18 econ 2.81 s/r 53.5
(won 25/60 bowling together - 244 wickets) 41.6% win

30 Tests together
980.4-189-3276-127 ~ 25.79 econ 3.34 s/r 46.3 - Gough (32)
1032.1-228-3089-106 ~ 29.14 econ 2.99 s/r 58.4 - Caddick (34)
2012.5-417-6365-233 ~ 27.31 econ 3.16 s/r 51.8
(won 13/30 bowling together - 139 wickets) 43.3% win

45 Tests together
1495.1-300-5025-166 ~ 30.27 econ 3.36 s/r 54.0 - Hoggard (31)
1662.4-317-5383-174 ~ 30.93 econ 3.23 s/r 57.3 - Harmison (30)
3157.5-617-10408-340 ~ 30.52 econ 3.29 s/r 55.7
(won 23/45 bowling together - 213 wickets) 51.1% win

93 Tests together
3482.0-892-9880-373 ~ 26.48 econ 2.83 s/r 56.0 - Anderson (35)
3206.0-709-9693-336 ~ 28.84 econ 3.02 s/r 57.2 - Broad (31)
6688.0-1601-19573-709 ~ 27.60 econ 2.92 s/r 56.5
(won 41/93 bowling together - 378 wickets) 44% win

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30 Tests together
980.4-189-3276-127 ~ 25.79 econ 3.34 s/r 46.3 - Gough (32)
1032.1-228-3089-106 ~ 29.14 econ 2.99 s/r 58.4 - Caddick (34)
2012.5-417-6365-233 ~ 27.31 econ 3.16 s/r 51.8
(won 13/30 bowling together - 139 wickets) 43.3% win

90 Tests together
3387.4-865-9652-360 ~ 26.81 econ 2.84 s/r 56.4 - Anderson (34)
3113.0-686-9411-329 ~ 28.60 econ 3.02 s/r 56.7 - Broad (30)
6500.4-1551-19063-689 ~ 27.66 econ 2.93 s/r 56.6
(won 39/90 bowling together - 368 wickets) 43.3% win
Broad and Anderson no more successful than Gough and Caddick
Bit of a surprise given the view espoused by Cabinboy in particular of English cricket in the 90s.
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Broad and Anderson no more successful than Gough and Caddick
Bit of a surprise given the view espoused by Cabinboy in particular of English cricket in the 90s.
Not a surprise to me. You can argue that they played against some high quality batting line-ups too in that period. It was a really underrated achievement that England beat South Africa in '98 and the Pakistan & Sri Lanka victories in 2000/1. They will be slightly looked down upon that they never really properly turned it on against the Aussies, apart from the 1997 Edgbaston test but they were darn good bowlers.
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Steyn's strike rate is off the rails. That's GOAT like statistics.
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Kapil, Vass, Pollock and Botham were certainly not remotely in the quickish category by the time they played their 100th test. Mike Atherton memorably wrote about playing Kapil in 1990 that the 'Haryana hurricane had descended to something like a gentle breeze'. Beefy was lucky to get too many tests after the 1986-87 Ashes on account of his bowling capacity as he was nigh on slow-medium.
In all honesty, Vaas and Dev were never that fast anyway. I dunno about Devs speeds but having watched a large chunk, if not the majority of Vaas' career in my lifetime, even at his peak he'd hardly get to 83 or 84 mph. The difference was even more pronounced because that was the generation of Wasim, Waqar, Akhtar, Donald and co.
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Since Steyn made his debut ..

Langeveldt (6) - 37.06
Morkel (71)
J Morkel (1) - 132.00
De Wet (2) - 31.00
McLaren (2) - 54.00
Parnell (4) - 36.85
Tsotsobe (5) - 49.77
Philander (39)
De Lange (2) - 30.77
Kleinveldt (4) - 42.20
Abbott (11)
Rabada (13)
Morris (2) - 63.25
Viljoen (1) - 94.00

That's not many fast bowlers needed and only 4 making it to double figures in Tests. The others were injury replacements, not having enough games to improve their figures.

SA played 91 Tests in the last 10 years. In that time England played 127 Tests.

I imagine Steyn to be back in the summer with another 3 years of bowling left. Morkel should be also returning. So Parnell or Olivier have 3 or 4 Tests.
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