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Old 22nd August 2016, 14:47   #2001
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Oh, I certainly don't. One of the joys of cricket for me is that it's a game in which fatties, weeds, tiches and speccies can prosper. My favourite players growing up were Knotty, Deadly and Clive Lloyd - I missed Milburn by a few years but would surely have taken him to my heart.
Thankfully the game hasn't lost some of its characters. Samit, Cosgrove, Key and Kleinveldt will all be remembered fondly in years to come. I'm glad that cricket is still a sport where it is more important to be skilful than fit and you can still see these cult figures, who may not look like athletes but are effective in what they do still in the game.
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Old 22nd August 2016, 15:04   #2002
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Thankfully the game hasn't lost some of its characters. Samit, Cosgrove, Key and Kleinveldt will all be remembered fondly in years to come. I'm glad that cricket is still a sport where it is more important to be skilful than fit and you can still see these cult figures, who may not look like athletes but are effective in what they do still in the game.
I don't think Samit and Cosgrove have missed a Championship game this year...and Keysey always had a very good appearance record for Kent year on year.

I've never been a fatty but my gym-going work colleagues would chide me for my refusal to entertain exercise. I'd respond by drawing attention to my excellent sickness record and my ability to continue working with a stinking hangover rather than spending all morning with my head down the pan. In other words, not physically fit but absolutely fit for purpose.
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Old 22nd August 2016, 17:38   #2003
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I bet you don't rate the Big Bash then, as Kallis looked like he had put a bit on when he was playing in that. The only you think it is a poor advert is because a smaller county won the tournament which goes some way to destroying the argument that some counties shouldn't have first class status.
Not really, as it's not a first class tournament and this particular county currently rank 17/18 in English first class cricket. They've clearly prioritised t20 cricket, so strip them of f/c status and let them apply for a franchise. Northampton is a big town.
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Old 23rd August 2016, 00:40   #2004
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Old 23rd August 2016, 00:56   #2005
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Presumably that's just being polite. We can't seriously be considering recalling for his experience in India someone who averages less with the bat in India than Phil Tufnell.

Would be embarrasing if Bayliss meant to go and watch Bell-Drummond but ended up at Egblaston instead of Canterbury.
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Great. So his county form of 520 runs @ 37 is enough to get him a recall? Why do they think he'd do any better? He fails on the sub-continent, look at him in India and in the UAE against Pakistan. Why go back and invest time in a 34 year old who has only averaged 40 or more in one of his last seven Test series? He's not Adam Voges or Kumar Sangakkara, he has not shown signs of improving with age, au contraire mes amis, he has shown all the signs of declining.
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Old 23rd August 2016, 11:03   #2007
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Not really, as it's not a first class tournament and this particular county currently rank 17/18 in English first class cricket. They've clearly prioritised t20 cricket, so strip them of f/c status and let them apply for a franchise. Northampton is a big town.
Why would they want to apply for a franchise? Would changing their name and kit make them a better outfit? Oh, and it's not that long ago that they were in Division One.
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Why would they want to apply for a franchise? Would changing their name and kit make them a better outfit? Oh, and it's not that long ago that they were in Division One.
Why wouldn't they? I guess the issue against them would be capacity at the ground but large, well connected city, history of t20 success would make them strong candidates. Anyhow, Northants wouldn't necessarily be one of the two counties I'd cull. There are others who should be at greater risk - Derbyshire, Glamorgan, Gloucestershire...
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Why wouldn't they? I guess the issue against them would be capacity at the ground but large, well connected city, history of t20 success would make them strong candidates. Anyhow, Northants wouldn't necessarily be one of the two counties I'd cull. There are others who should be at greater risk - Derbyshire, Glamorgan, Gloucestershire...
I thought that those in favour of franchises were so because of the chance to play at bigger grounds and attract more fans. So you could have London, Southampton, Manchester, Birmingham, Nottinghamshire and Northampton?

Also, the three teams you mentioned:
Derby - Div One not long ago.
Glamorgan - Test ground and a team with good young players.
Gloucester - Tournament winners last season.
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I thought that those in favour of franchises were so because of the chance to play at bigger grounds and attract more fans. So you could have London, Southampton, Manchester, Birmingham, Nottinghamshire and Northampton?

Also, the three teams you mentioned:
Derby - Div One not long ago.
Glamorgan - Test ground and a team with good young players.
Gloucester - Tournament winners last season.
Other teams have better cases. Glamorgan have had a promising set of young players for a very long time and they've got them nowhere.
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Other teams have better cases.
I wouldn't say there is any one side lagging behind the others. It was Leicestershire a few years ago but even they were decent in T20.
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So that's why people thought KP was a bad for team spirit: as he'd back his team mates even if they aren't good enough.

Although nice to see him suggest Roy as well.
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So that's why people thought KP was a bad for team spirit: as he'd back his team mates even if they aren't good enough.

Although nice to see him suggest Roy as well.

KP said he wouldn't go to Bangladesh? What if England selected him? Only averages 83.33 there.
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So that's why people thought KP was a bad for team spirit: as he'd back his team mates even if they aren't good enough. ...
Even if so, there'd have been a myriad of others.
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So that's why people thought KP was a bad for team spirit: as he'd back his team mates even if they aren't good enough.

Although nice to see him suggest Roy as well.
Both the players KP is backing are signed up with his own management company. Strange that he didn't also mention Bopara who is also with them.
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Old 27th August 2016, 23:30   #2017
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Both the players KP is backing are signed up with his own management company. Strange that he didn't also mention Bopara who is also with them.
You may not want to hear it, but think Bell and KP got on very well when both playing for England too. It's not all plain old greed.
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You may not want to hear it, but think Bell and KP got on very well when both playing for England too. It's not all plain old greed.
Phew. It is also "pick your mates". Relief.
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Phew. It is also "pick your mates". Relief.
It's English cricket.... What's new with that?
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You may not want to hear it, but think Bell and KP got on very well when both playing for England too. It's not all plain old greed.
Of course: I'm very well aware of this. There is a mutual respect between the players, and they did bat very well together.

My cynical reply was to gbg's ironic post.
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