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Old 3rd December 2017, 08:09   #201
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England did well yesterday to keep the score reasonable, but after an early breakthrough have struggled to be even second in this contest.

aussies will be well pleased with 400+ and England hoping Cook can find some runs if not form, and the three newbs can repeat efforts from the Gabba or it could be test the tail again.

I mentioned on another forum that whilst lots talk up England's batting depth it is their lack of ability to get supposedly weaker lower orders out that is too often* their Achilles heel. Sometimes they can knock them over, but not often enough.


Paine's selection raised some eyebrows but a few England batsmen are now behind him in the series runs stakes albeit have 'an innings in hand', and this is the second Test in a row where their tail has wagged..... (well lower to middle order)

1st Test, 1st Inns : 119 runs for the last 3 wickets
1st Test, 2nd Inns : n/a
2nd Test, 2nd Inns : 200 runs for the last 2 wickets so far

Will the aussies declare? I wouldn't bother, I'd bat it through and make England sweat it out so England feel every (England) wicket crushing their chances of saving the Test. Rentagob Vaughan has already started crowing about his comments before the Test saying if England don't win this one the "wheels will be off", doesn't take much to work out going 2-0 down in a series is bad you muppet.

I think they made the right change (singular), what they need is the batting to put in a sturdy effort and get within 75 runs of the aussie total. Next Test they may have to consider the spinner, not sure Crane will fare any better but Ali is far from as effective as you'd want from your main spinner so far.

Might be Woakes makes way for said spinner and England play three seamers, it isn't like Woakes has been effective so far and having so many bowlers to rotate can just be keeping the one or two that would take wickets away from the bowling crease longer....
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Old 3rd December 2017, 08:14   #202
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Root looking far better than Moeen. Haven't watched too much until this arvo, but been listening. Sounds like batting hasn't always been easy. 400 +sounds like a good score.

Bowling for 5 sessions and being 400+ down makes Root's decision a failure. Going to take a very good batting effort from England, especially under lights.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 08:17   #203
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Root bowling just underscores the fact that England doesn't have a regular spinner. Surely they could play one instead of Woakes, who looks military medium for this level of cricket.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 08:21   #204
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Remember that time we picked someone who can't spin the ball properly?

This is going to get messy.
Story of the last 40 odd test matches ?
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Old 3rd December 2017, 08:23   #205
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Root bowling just underscores the fact that England doesn't have a regular spinner. Surely they could play one instead of Woakes, who looks military medium for this level of cricket.
Yeah but. “ Moeen’s economy isn’t too bad”
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Old 3rd December 2017, 08:31   #206
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Looks forlorn already.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 08:32   #207
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Yeah but. “ Moeen’s economy isn’t too bad”

The problem is that England appear to have planned for containment, not penetration. They really do lack someone who has genuine pace. Broad can be fiery, but aside from him, they don't look capable of blasting a team out. Usually in Australia, that is what is required,

Interestingly, the one team which regularly has success here is South Africa. In Steyn, Morkel, Rabada, and before that Donald and Pollock, they have had guys who revel in these conditions. Perversely though last year it was Abbott, who looked particularly difficult to play. Philander has been handy in support too. The upshot of this is that in Aussie conditions, someone of that ilk is required to crash through teams.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 08:44   #208
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We need to remember that this is not the attack England wanted, Wood and Stokes would have added fire and aggression but we can't pick them.

Still, much will depend on the batting line up and that is again where I have little confidence.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 08:46   #209
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Last time a team inserted the oppo and lost by an innings ?
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Old 3rd December 2017, 08:58   #210
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I can’t believe how quickly England’s heads have dropped in this series. It’s all very disappointing. I’m expecting a clatter of wickets tonight to cap off a filthy day.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 09:48   #211
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Article: "England look to Wood as pace deficit starts to tell"

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...it-starts-tell


According to George Dobell:

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England hope Mark Wood will be available to play for them in the two-day warm-up match in Perth ahead of the third Test.

While Wood is not currently part of the England squad, the Test team's chronic lack of pace and variation has been shown up in the early days of an Ashes series in which England have only taken 18 wickets.

As a result, the England management are planning on adding Wood to the squad - subject to fitness tests - and seeing how he bowls in the match at Richardson Park (on December 9 and 10) with a view to selecting him for the Perth Test.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 09:56   #212
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Miracles aside I think today we handed the Ashes back to Australia. With a whimper too.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 10:03   #213
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I think I'll wait and see how England bat before writing them off entirely. The chances are they'll struggle, but who knows, funny things happen.
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We need to remember that this is not the attack England wanted, Wood and Stokes would have added fire and aggression but we can't pick them.
They could pick both but I take your point.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 10:05   #215
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Miracles aside I think today we handed the Ashes back to Australia. With a whimper too.
Indeed.

Mark Wood coming in at 2-0 is sadly not going to save them either, we somehow need to get out of this match without further damage but its hard to see how.

However, we will more than likely get destroyed at the WACA, we usually do.

Its terrible being so negative but its hard to be upbeat when the side is looking so beaten already.
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Cummins needs to be moved 2 places up the order, hes a natural with the bat, has a good eye, is always composed, his natural ability with the bats seriously underrated.

Disappointingly with the way the poms are looking the ashes might be over sooner than everybody expected, they need some new young and enthusiastic blood, theyve held on to a few blokes way to long.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 10:22   #217
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Cummins needs to be moved 2 places up the order, hes a natural with the bat, has a good eye, is always composed, his natural ability with the bats seriously underrated.

Disappointingly with the way the poms are looking the ashes might be over sooner than everybody expected, they need some new young and enthusiastic blood, theyve held on to a few blokes way to long.

It's partly true, but if you look at the number of batsmen (especially, but not only them) that have been tried over the last few years, they simply haven't delivered.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 10:32   #218
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Play called off, England will be celebrating, it would have been a nasty last half hour if they went back out there.
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Old 3rd December 2017, 10:33   #219
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Disappointingly with the way the poms are looking the ashes might be over sooner than everybody expected, they need some new young and enthusiastic blood, theyve held on to a few blokes way to long.
Yep. On paper this is probably the weakest squad we've ever sent over. I tend to agree with what Swanny just said, I don't think they aren't trying. Its more of a case of not having that natural aggression or belief that they can win a single test match here.

Agree that there are too many automatic selections regardless of form too. Maybe if the slowly waning Broad or Anderson weren't so comfortable in their positions they might not pitch the ball too bloody short regularly.
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The inevitable deferred as play is abandoned for the night. At least we can bat in daylight and only one down.
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