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Old 28th July 2016, 16:37   #261
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Looking at the current captains, Cook must be some way in the lead in terms of Test matches as captain and runs scored as captain.
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Old 29th July 2016, 00:47   #262
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Looking at the current captains, Cook must be some way in the lead in terms of Test matches as captain and runs scored as captain.
Cook 50 - 49.22 - 4233 runs
Misbah 44 - 3545 runs
Mathews 29
Rahim 24
Smith 12
Kohli 11
Holder 6
de Villiers 2
Williamson 1
Cremer 1

Nervous 90s

http://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/eng...t ype=batting

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Old 18th August 2016, 12:49   #263
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Opening batsmen and their strike rates
(10+ Tests)

40.63 - Silva
42.73 - Brathwaite
43.84 - Hales
44.82 - Elgar
45.55 - Latham
46.98 - Vijay
47.00 - Cook
47.28 - Kayes
47.47 - Guptill
49.74 - Karunaratne
53.95 - Van Zyl
55.40 - Iqbal
56.48 - Hafeez
58.35 - Burns
60.25 - Dhawan
77.72 - Warner

I am glad to see more batsmen with a strike rate under 50 than over it.
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Old 25th September 2016, 18:44   #264
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Batting in Asia

4 Tests 380 runs at 63.33 HS 88 - Root
13 Tests 1100 runs at 47.82 HS 192 - Williamson
22 Tests 1333 runs at 41.65 HS 107 - Kohli
7 Tests 582 runs at 41.57 HS 119 - Smith

Kohli compared to Cook

21 Tests 2252 runs at 60.86 HS 263
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Old 26th September 2016, 13:58   #265
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-...y/1059219.html

Dravid who also batted at number 3 had a strike rate of 42.51.

Rahul s/r 52.84
Vijay 46.88
Pujara 48.20
Kohli 53.59
Rahane 54.14
Sharma 52.14

I suppose Kohli had a talk to Vijay as well.
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Old 27th September 2016, 05:39   #266
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Well, I'll take it if these guys can match Dravid, regardless of their strike rate.
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Old 28th September 2016, 15:40   #267
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Well said Anil Kumble -

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In a team you need different characters, different quality players. Players whose skill sets are suited to different challenges that happen in a Test match. Because we've seen that that's what happens in a Test match. That's the beauty about Test cricket. From my point of view, as far as I am concerned, strike rates are relevant only for bowlers in Test matches."
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Old 28th September 2016, 16:01   #268
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"... as far as I am concerned, strike rates are relevant only for bowlers in Test matches."
Does that mean that wickets don't matter in limited-overs cricket? I think we should be told.
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Old 28th September 2016, 16:10   #269
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Does that mean that wickets don't matter in limited-overs cricket? I think we should be told.
Virgs will be happy to point out that it is feasible for a side to win an ODI without actually taking a wicket. The reality is that taking wickets, especially a whole stack of them, can mean bowling a side out for a sub-par score of course (whatever a par score is?).
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Old 28th September 2016, 16:30   #270
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... The reality is that taking wickets, especially a whole stack of them, can mean bowling a side out for a sub-par score of course (whatever a par score is?).
Ah yes, the reality. Thanks for that; I think my subscription has expired.
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Old 29th September 2016, 13:47   #271
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Virgs will be happy to point out that it is feasible for a side to win an ODI without actually taking a wicket. The reality is that taking wickets, especially a whole stack of them, can mean bowling a side out for a sub-par score of course (whatever a par score is?).
Or actually look at statistical data and find the side that takes the most wickets wins the match the bulk majority of the time, funny coincidence that.

ERs are usually much of a muchness and meaningless, if you're trying to gauge how good a bowler is their average is a good starting point.

I've seen the claim on here before about the "relevance" of SRs in ODIs as if it is gospel, it's an "interesting" view to say the least, but wickets carry a lot more influence in ODIs than those suggesting ER is more relevant suggest.

Then again we are talking SVAG, I wouldn't be totally shocked if the stance weren't because ER is about all Ali boasts in ODIs. (4.99 ER, 42.00 ave, 50.52 SR) I'd suggest a good SR in ODIs would be low to mid 30s, interesting point at which to make a few tongue in cheek comparisons!

Hafeez - ER 4.10, SR 50.99
Wasim - ER 4.49, SR 30.31
Amir - ER 4.60, SR 32.34
Philander - ER 4.63, SR 31.20
Hazlewood - ER 4.65, SR 32.69
Boult - ER 4.82, SR 28.61
Steyn - ER 4.86, SR 32.02
Ali - ER 4.99, SR 50.52
Gul - ER 5.20, SR 33.88
Faulkner - ER 5.48, SR 34.05
Rashid - ER 5.66, SR 42.63
Wood - ER 5.84, SR 54.00
Jordan - ER 5.97, SR 34.68
Stokes - ER 6.07, SR 37.19


Decide in what order you would rate them and see if SR or ER seems to be the better measure.

Not the worst order, but clearly say Hafeez isn't better than those below him and I'd certainly not prefer Ali in my side over the few below him on the basis he concedes at a whopping 1 run or thereabouts an over fewer which adds up to a potential gain of 10 runs (or thereabouts) but fewer wickets likely.

Do the same for Tests and I'd probably say average is the better indicator, the pace is so sedate in scoring in relative terms that SR and ER are probably not too "relevant"

Of course arguably the best way to judge a good ODI bowler is to not ignore ER, SR or ave, I'd go with those whose SR is no more than say 40 AND whose ER is no more than say 5.50 which eliminates Hafeez, Ali, Rashid, Wood, Jordan and Stokes. Stokes has got plenty of potential and plenty to do to redress his ODI figures, not sure Ali ever will do anything other than have a handy ER and be a handy spinner.
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Ah yes, the reality. Thanks for that; I think my subscription has expired.
I'm sure somewhere you'll find a website offers a free reality check
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Old 29th September 2016, 14:02   #273
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Or actually look at statistical data and find the side that takes the most wickets wins the match the bulk majority of the time, funny coincidence that.

ERs are usually much of a muchness and meaningless, if you're trying to gauge how good a bowler is their average is a good starting point.

I've seen the claim on here before about the "relevance" of SRs in ODIs as if it is gospel, it's an "interesting" view to say the least, but wickets carry a lot more influence in ODIs than those suggesting ER is more relevant suggest.

Then again we are talking SVAG, I wouldn't be totally shocked if the stance weren't because ER is about all Ali boasts in ODIs. (4.99 ER, 42.00 ave, 50.52 SR) I'd suggest a good SR in ODIs would be low to mid 30s, interesting point at which to make a few tongue in cheek comparisons!

Hafeez - ER 4.10, SR 50.99
Wasim - ER 4.49, SR 30.31
Amir - ER 4.60, SR 32.34
Philander - ER 4.63, SR 31.20
Hazlewood - ER 4.65, SR 32.69
Boult - ER 4.82, SR 28.61
Steyn - ER 4.86, SR 32.02
Ali - ER 4.99, SR 50.52
Gul - ER 5.20, SR 33.88
Faulkner - ER 5.48, SR 34.05
Rashid - ER 5.66, SR 42.63
Wood - ER 5.84, SR 54.00
Jordan - ER 5.97, SR 34.68
Stokes - ER 6.07, SR 37.19


Decide in what order you would rate them and see if SR or ER seems to be the better measure.

Not the worst order, but clearly say Hafeez isn't better than those below him and I'd certainly not prefer Ali in my side over the few below him on the basis he concedes at a whopping 1 run or thereabouts an over fewer which adds up to a potential gain of 10 runs (or thereabouts) but fewer wickets likely.

Do the same for Tests and I'd probably say average is the better indicator, the pace is so sedate in scoring in relative terms that SR and ER are probably not too "relevant"

Of course arguably the best way to judge a good ODI bowler is to not ignore ER, SR or ave, I'd go with those whose SR is no more than say 40 AND whose ER is no more than say 5.50 which eliminates Hafeez, Ali, Rashid, Wood, Jordan and Stokes. Stokes has got plenty of potential and plenty to do to redress his ODI figures, not sure Ali ever will do anything other than have a handy ER and be a handy spinner.
If I ask you this question -- "So Rebs, do you agree with Kumble then or what?" -- will you say the same thing again?
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If I ask you this question -- "So Rebs, do you agree with Kumble then or what?" -- will you say the same thing again?
Not the post I replied to, nor am I restricted to answer a simple yes or no, so no and no...........
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... nor am I restricted to answer a simple yes or no ...
So I usually see ... ;-)
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In the limited overs formats yes. In tests, not quite yet as he's played too few to make much of a judgement.
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I certainly think he'll remain up there but agree it's too early in tests to make a valid judgement. Just seems to have the golden touch.
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Old 3rd October 2016, 10:19   #278
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I certainly think he'll remain up there but agree it's too early in tests to make a valid judgement. Just seems to have the golden touch.
Looks an exceptional player although it's difficult to end up with a great test average as a batsman keeper, even if you're extremely talented and agree, he's hardly played much in tests. He's been crazily good in limited overs cricket at times.
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It's much harder for de Kock batting at 7 than Root 3, Williamson 3, Kohli 4 and Smith 4/5. He has only opened the batting once getting 82 and 50 against NZ and if he wasn't a keeper, that would be the ideal spot. At 7 he can be attacking but also has the tail to contend with.

10 Tests (finding their feet)

Kohli 703 at 41.35 (1 not out)
Root 684 at 40.23 (2)
Smith 601 at 31.63 (1)
de Kock 572 at 47.66 (3)
Williamson 503 at 29.58 (0)
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Saj Sadiq ‏@Saj_PakPassion

From his autobiography, the 3 bowlers AB de Villiers found toughest to face:
Mohammad Asif
Mitchell Johnson
Monty Panesar

I would have thought that Broad's name would be in there. He has dismissed him 10 times. Johnson 5, Panesar 4, and Asif 3.
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