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Old 26th January 2018, 14:23   #281
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He's gone up in my estimation as a Test batsman after this tour - if he can keep this up, it may no longer even be sacrilege to start mentioning him in the same conversation as Joe Root & Steve Smith. But any good work will be undone unless he's kept under control as captain.

Ramachandra Guha makes the point better than I ever could:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...-game-not-team
Maybe a little too late though, they had the perfect opportunity to beat a weak SA away and blew it.
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Old 26th January 2018, 14:37   #282
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I think Andrew Strauss made it a priority for the England test team.
Yes, but first he waited until he'd retired as a player, so that if anyone was going to throw their wicket away deliberately and look like a ****, it wouldn't be him.
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Old 26th January 2018, 14:43   #283
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Shami now flaying the SA attack.

They look pretty much overrated as a unit.
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Old 26th January 2018, 14:46   #284
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Don't see what the 5th seamer gives them that the spinner wouldn't, especially as he is an innocuous medium pacer.
The 5th seamer gives them the chance to keep the the other 4 seamers fresh by rotating them without releasing the pressure.

Four seamers can operate in tandem (or whatever the equivalent for 4 is) for about 60-65 overs but if you haven't bowled the opposition out the opposition get the chance to rebuild before the new ball.

Of course this only works if (a) they bowl the 5th seamer and (b) the 5th seamer is any good.

The other tactical thing to consider is that off spinners are generally only really effective against left-handers and SLAs only really effective against right-handers, so if you've got the wrong handed batsman at the crease you may just be milked (FWIW I think there are some seamers who are ineffective against left-handers but this is an area that needs more statistical research - it's crazy that these sorts of breakdowns aren't readily available).
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Old 26th January 2018, 14:58   #285
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The 5th seamer gives them the chance to keep the the other 4 seamers fresh by rotating them without releasing the pressure.

Four seamers can operate in tandem (or whatever the equivalent for 4 is) for about 60-65 overs but if you haven't bowled the opposition out the opposition get the chance to rebuild before the new ball.

Of course this only works if (a) they bowl the 5th seamer and (b) the 5th seamer is any good.

The other tactical thing to consider is that off spinners are generally only really effective against left-handers and SLAs only really effective against right-handers, so if you've got the wrong handed batsman at the crease you may just be milked (FWIW I think there are some seamers who are ineffective against left-handers but this is an area that needs more statistical research - it's crazy that these sorts of breakdowns aren't readily available).

Given though that SA didn't really have another seamer of test class (Morris unavailable and Steyn injured), you wonder if they should have played the extra batsman on this type of deck. They could have even turned to Elgar and Markram to fill in some overs. Ngidi appears to have been used sparingly.
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Shami now flaying the SA attack.

They look pretty much overrated as a unit.
Haven't bowled well but not supported in the field. During that big stand 2 easy catches went down. Could be crucial in the end.
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Old 26th January 2018, 15:04   #287
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Haven't bowled well but not supported in the field. During that big stand 2 easy catches went down. Could be crucial in the end.

It definitely will be crucial.

What is interesting though, is that India has bowled better on this pitch. They attacked the stumps rather than bowled too short. I am amazed how often we tour and our bowlers appear to read the conditions better. Their attack is disappointing really considering the way it often gets talked up.
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Old 26th January 2018, 15:07   #288
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India favourites from here but suspect Saffers will go close.
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Old 26th January 2018, 15:12   #289
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India favourites from here but suspect Saffers will go close.

The SA batting has been pretty shocking this series. They would need to lift considerably for the hosts to win. They seem to be low on intensity during this match too.
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He's gone up in my estimation as a Test batsman after this tour - if he can keep this up, it may no longer even be sacrilege to start mentioning him in the same conversation as Joe Root & Steve Smith. But any good work will be undone unless he's kept under control as captain.

Ramachandra Guha makes the point better than I ever could:

http://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/...-game-not-team
He's above Root comfortably at the moment due to not being prone to score pretty little fifties and throwing it all away when looking on top. Smith is another matter entirely.
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Deadly ball from Bumrah and match ref on to see if pitch is OK to carry on. Not often see this.
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Ball was short. Not the pitch. Play on. Better do.
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Deadly ball from Bumrah and match ref on to see if pitch is OK to carry on. Not often see this.
Can't agree with the commentators - they're saying the ball was short and you should expect it to bounce like that. What world are they living in? It should've bounced about waist height, it's hit him in the face.
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Can't agree with the commentators - they're saying the ball was short and you should expect it to bounce like that. What world are they living in? It should've bounced about waist height, it's hit him in the face.
Should? If only things were so predictable. New ball. Bumrah bowls these type of balls. No....they are right and even if wrong it would be absurd to cancel the game. Rain anyway?
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Holding agrees with Sir Cool but a bit of a quandary now. Rare event.
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I'm not saying they should cancel it - the Indians batted on it so no reason why the Safas can't. But to say that was expected bounce from that delivery is ludicrous.

I imagine they'll start again in the morning.
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Old 26th January 2018, 17:03   #297
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The pitch has certainly got some uneven bounce, thing is, it was nothing like this on the first 2 days. Well, it worsened as day 2 progressed but I don't think I saw anything as bad as Holding described. Havent seen much of day 3, so can't say how bad it was. Did see the Elgar hit...the ball climbed up at him and as a batsman, he should have known what to do. That particular incident was more his fault than the pitch.

Anyway, India had to bat through, so the match shouldnt be called off.
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I'm not saying they should cancel it - the Indians batted on it so no reason why the Safas can't. But to say that was expected bounce from that delivery is ludicrous.

I imagine they'll start again in the morning.
Hope so. Dangerous but fun. They are well protected now.
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Hope so. Dangerous but fun. They are well protected now.
Yes, and I don't recall Mikey expressing such concern about poor pitch quality when he was luzzing it down at the scantily protected Edrich and Close, Manchester '76 !
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