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Old 13th August 2007, 19:25   #1
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Winter Tours

Sadly I only caught the end of this particular chat on TMS about the make up of the winter touring parties for Sri Lanka and New Zealand. At this stage one can assume that the selectors will be naming only the ODI and test squads for Sri Lanka.

This summer has seen a total of 15 players in the test team (today's side plus Hoggard, Harmison, Plunkett and Shah) with Broad on standby for the last 3 tests. One can assume that they will name a 15/16 man touring party which will probably include 6 batsmen, all-rounder, 2 keepers, 2/3 spinners, 3/4 pace bowlers.

The make up of the team will be difficult will Flintoff be recalled at the expense of a batsman? Will they take Rashid for the experience or send him away with the Lions? Who will be the reserve keeper Foster, Ambrose, Pothas or A.N. Other. Which of the 6 pace bowlers who have played in test this summer (and Broad) will be included? Will Moores go for the tried and tested Hoggard and Harmison axis or will he stick with the men in possession?

For me the batsman are easy to pick Strauss, Cook, Vaughan, KP, Colly, Bell and Shah. Prior and Foster as keepers and Flintoff as the all-rounder. As for spinners it is a tough call Monty is a cert and if they aren't going to play Rashid I would let him play for the Lions in India and therefore probably take Batty as the 2nd spinner as at least he can bat a little. As for pace bowlers I would go with the experienced players but make it clear that if they don't perform then they won't be going to New Zealand. For me I would take Hoggard, Harmison, Sidebottom and Broad. Plunkett was on drinks duties last year and Anderson has done his fair share so they can go with the Lions along with Tremlett and Mahmood.

However this is the Moores era so things might have changed and we might see a change in selection policy. Who knows time will tell...
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Old 13th August 2007, 19:37   #2
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Foster? Bad season really and probably well behind Ambrose and even Nixon or Read.

Batty?
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Old 13th August 2007, 19:40   #3
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Well other than Rashid which other English spinners have taken wickets? I can't imagine that they would take Keedy as he is like Monty with the bat and in the field!
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Old 13th August 2007, 19:41   #4
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As for pace bowlers I would go with the experienced players but make it clear that if they don't perform then they won't be going to New Zealand. For me I would take Hoggard, Harmison, Sidebottom and Broad. Plunkett was on drinks duties last year and Anderson has done his fair share so they can go with the Lions along with Tremlett and Mahmood.
Your best bowlers should go on tour, matters of who carries the drinks shouldn't come into it. It's a shame that the reserve bowlers don't get more time in the middle in practice games, but that's how it goes. I also doubt Jimmy and Tremlett would appreciate being overtaken by Broad, effectively dropped for a newbie.
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Old 13th August 2007, 19:47   #5
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Old 13th August 2007, 20:11   #6
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I expect David Graveney will take the place of a player in the XVI and they'll take only 15. That will be the XI for the last three tests plus Rashid, Swann and Hoggard.
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I'd agree with JD except I'd take Anderson instead of Tremlett. I can't see Tremlett offering much on the pitches out there. I'd definitely take Rashid. No point ever going back to Batty or Swann. In Sri Lanka Rashid should get some proper turning pitches so we can see what he can do. I think Ambrose should definitely be the second keeper. He's had a great year so far in both forms of the game and would certainly be an adequate replacement.
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I expect David Graveney will take the place of a player in the XVI and they'll take only 15. That will be the XI for the last three tests plus Rashid, Swann and Hoggard.
Only 1 keeper? Swann? No Harmison? Although I do agree its likely they'll take 15. Ah, you've missed someone out as you only have 14.
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I'd agree with JD except I'd take Anderson instead of Tremlett. I can't see Tremlett offering much on the pitches out there. I'd definitely take Rashid. No point ever going back to Batty or Swann. In Sri Lanka Rashid should get some proper turning pitches so we can see what he can do. I think Ambrose should definitely be the second keeper. He's had a great year so far in both forms of the game and would certainly be an adequate replacement.
Whoops. I actually meant to get rid of Tremlett and keep Anderson in!
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Only 1 keeper? Swann? No Harmison? Although I do agree its likely they'll take 15. Ah, you've missed someone out as you only have 14.
I think Tremlett will edge out Harmison. Harmison has struggled with both injury and his line and Moores has hardly worked with him, so won't have the same loyalty that Fletcher had to him.

Swann has taken the most wickets out of all the spinners (other than Monty). This England regime seems to place more faith in county performances rather than in a player's ability/amount of class.

Don't know who second keeper is, but it doesn't really matter as one drinks waiter is much like another.
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I expect David Graveney will take the place of a player in the XVI and they'll take only 15. That will be the XI for the last three tests plus Rashid, Swann and Hoggard.
No place for Freddie GBG?
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The averages from our last trip to Sri Lanka don't look too hot. Maybe the fast bowlers will all be desperate to go to India with the Lions instead!
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No place for Freddie GBG?
Ah, that was who I missed out.

No 2nd wicketkeeper. They'll fly someone over from the Academy if needed.
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Ah, that was who I missed out.

No 2nd wicketkeeper. They'll fly someone over from the Academy if needed.
With dodgy stomachs quite common when we go out east they will need a keeper on the spot.
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Old 13th August 2007, 21:29   #15
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Aggers reckons that they'll take 5 bowlers and that Sibo should go with 4 from Harmison, Hoggard, Flintoff, Plunkett, Tremlett and Broad. He's obviously already put Jimmy on the plane to India!
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Aggers reckons that they'll take 5 bowlers and that Sibo should go with 4 from Harmison, Hoggard, Flintoff, Plunkett, Tremlett and Broad. He's obviously already put Jimmy on the plane to India!
I'd take Flintoff plus Hoggard, Harmison and Sidebottom. The final slot would be between Anderson and Tremlett and I'd make them dead even at this stage. I wouldn't touch Plunkett with a barge pole for the time being and I'm not sure Broad will leapfrog Anderson and Tremlett.
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Aggers reckons that they'll take 5 bowlers and that Sibo should go with 4 from Harmison, Hoggard, Flintoff, Plunkett, Tremlett and Broad. He's obviously already put Jimmy on the plane to India!
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I think you would have to pick Anderson over Tremlett for the SL tour as Anderson's bowling should be more suited to subcontinent pitches.

For the New Zealand tour, you could probably afford to pick just the one spinner (Panesar) and bring an extra batsman or paceman.
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The averages from our last trip to Sri Lanka don't look too hot. Maybe the fast bowlers will all be desperate to go to India with the Lions instead!
Looking at those figures, how on earth we didn't lose 5-0 I do not know. I'm sure we'll put up a better show this time, although the pace of cricket these days may just mean we lose the tight ones rather than draw.
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Looking at those figures, how on earth we didn't lose 5-0 I do not know. I'm sure we'll put up a better show this time, although the pace of cricket these days may just mean we lose the tight ones rather than draw.
Because it was a three match series?
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