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Old 3rd March 2018, 15:41   #161
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Pundits seemed to be divided on the matter. Any road up, they only saw the same video as all the TV viewers and, on average, probably have no better eyesight.
Were they? Genuinely interested to know who though not out.
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Old 3rd March 2018, 17:13   #162
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So no place for good sportsmanship anymore then? Surely the fielder has the best idea of whether they took a fair catch, moreso than the pundits on radio or television.

Unless cricket commentators are better than footy ones, their mission is to stir the pot of controversy for better ratings rather than demonstrate calm, rational objectivity.
Well, it's a perennial dichotomy in sport, particularly cricket - to do what is right or to do what is necessary to win. We can expect all players to behave with honesty and integrity but the reality is they are victims of the tragedy of the commons, like us all.

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You'd think so. Even if the fielder gets it wrong sometimes, the official adjudication system seems to get it wrong routinely, and is now a bad joke. The players should take the matter into their own hands: the batsman should ask the fielder, and then walk if he says he thinks he caught it.
Or just remove the appeals process all together and let the umpires make decisions based upon what they see rather than how animated the bowler and fielders become.
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Old 3rd March 2018, 17:52   #163
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Were they? Genuinely interested to know who though not out.
I watched it live and the highlights on Sky. Roy actually made a 'review' sign as if he was unsure. Once that happens then it's going to be not out unless there is something to prove otherwise.
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Old 3rd March 2018, 20:23   #164
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England won that in spite of Morgan’s captaincy. At 103-6 the game was virtually up but he just gave the batsman easy singles with defensive fields and took his slip out when one more wicket would have killed the game.
Nonsense, Williamson played a blinder of an innings which put them back into the game. It was a very good win for England and a good innings by the captain.
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Old 3rd March 2018, 21:19   #165
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Nonsense, Williamson played a blinder of an innings which put them back into the game. It was a very good win for England and a good innings by the captain.
Helped having a bit of fortune to get Santner out as we've struggled to do that so far.
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Old 3rd March 2018, 23:39   #166
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Helped having a bit of fortune to get Santner out as we've struggled to do that so far.
Morgan thought the game was going away from England before that happened.
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Old 4th March 2018, 09:19   #167
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You'd think so. Even if the fielder gets it wrong sometimes, the official adjudication system seems to get it wrong routinely, and is now a bad joke. The players should take the matter into their own hands: the batsman should ask the fielder, and then walk if he says he thinks he caught it.
What if the fielder was Australian?
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Old 4th March 2018, 09:39   #168
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I never understand this thing about fielders not being sure. Shirley you know if you’ve caught it or grassed it. Whether you trust the fielder or not is another question.

Btw I love that story of how Punter suggested before the 2005 Ashes that the players should just go on what the fielder said, and Vaughan told him to bugger off
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I never understand this thing about fielders not being sure. Shirley you know if you’ve caught it or grassed it. Whether you trust the fielder or not is another question.

Btw I love that story of how Punter suggested before the 2005 Ashes that the players should just go on what the fielder said, and Vaughan told him to bugger off
Hmm, yesterday's example would suggest they don't always know. Technology has already disproved the received wisdom that the batsman always knows when he's not it.

If I recall, Punter did something similar when the Indians toured a few years later. This time Kumble agreed. Unfortunately for the series, Australia's players very much failed to live up to the Spirit of the Game as agreed between the captains.

Oh, and don't call me Shirley.
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[quote=Ali TT;780618]Hmm, yesterday's example would suggest they don't always know. Technology has already disproved the received wisdom that the batsman always knows when he's not it.

If I recall, Punter did something similar when the Indians toured a few years later. This time Kumble agreed. Unfortunately for the series, Australia's players very much failed to live up to the Spirit of the Game as agreed between the captains.


What I’m saying is that when players say they’re not sure, they know they haven’t caught it and are trying it on. If they were to claim the catch and the replays look bad they risk punishment.

Lol, not surprising. Completely justifies Vaughan refusing.

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Old 4th March 2018, 11:51   #171
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Hmm, yesterday's example would suggest they don't always know. Technology has already disproved the received wisdom that the batsman always knows when he's not it.

If I recall, Punter did something similar when the Indians toured a few years later. This time Kumble agreed. Unfortunately for the series, Australia's players very much failed to live up to the Spirit of the Game as agreed between the captains.


What I’m saying is that when players say they’re not sure, they know they haven’t caught it and are trying it on. If they were to claim the catch and the replays look bad they risk punishment.

Lol, not surprising. Completely justifies Vaughan refusing.



Maybe I'm not following your logic given the broken quote but surely if a fielder was trying it on, they'd be claiming the catch out right rather than say they don't know. This would seem to be even more "necessary" if umpires tend to give soft "not out" calls when the fielders are unsure.
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I think “unsure” is fielderspeak for “grassed it but not sure how obvious it looks on telly”. You know if your fingers are under it.
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If that makes any more sense.
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What if the fielder was Australian?
It might depend whether s/he was the right sort of Australian ...
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Old 4th March 2018, 19:39   #175
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I think “unsure” is fielderspeak for “grassed it but not sure how obvious it looks on telly”. You know if your fingers are under it.
You know when your fingers are under it but what happens if the ball is in the end of the fingers and the other half hits the ground or like when Roy only had one finger under the ball against Australia, having fingers under the ball doesn't preclude it hitting the ground.
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Old 4th March 2018, 21:22   #176
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Well your fingers aren’t really under it then, are they?
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England have to find a way of dismissing Southee or they're in trouble.
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Old 4th March 2018, 22:07   #178
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Well your fingers aren’t really under it then, are they?
Of course they can be unless each of your fingers is bigger than a cricket ball!
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Uncapped batsman Liam Livingstone has been passed fit for England's two Tests in New Zealand.

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Same team tonight or Willey in for Wood?
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