The Nottinghamshire Thread

[Parr Stand]

Originally Posted by zydol

Swann as come off - didn't look very interested im sorry to say

just goes to show you how poor we battered this morning every wicket a ***** shot

We have been hammered

The commentators remarked that Swann was stretching him hamstring this morning after an appeal for a stumping this morning. When I heard that I thought it would give him an excuse not to play next Wednesday.

A disappointingly poor all-round performance by Notts in this game and that mad half hour yesterday afternoon didn't help the cause. Can't see us beating a full strength Warwickshire side next week, in fact I can't see us beating the Unicorns on Sunday.

[YAMS]

Originally Posted by YAMS

No Franks? WTF?

He's our best player.

Originally Posted by YAMS

Broad for Franks though? Both should be playing.

You don't not play your best player.

I'm not saying he would have saved us but he's our VC and imo has been our best player this season. Could easily have dropped the innefective Fletcher for Broad.

Other than Broad's destruction of Warks last season I don't think the two England players have brough us anything at all. All they have done is upset the balance of the team and make us look disjointed and unprofessional.

[Gilo's Doosra]

Funny thing is I don't think many of us would disagree with you about Franko. I would've given Adams a rest for Broad this week and Fletch the next one - AA has had a few problems already this year and the guy's 35, but Newell seems determined to bowl him into the ground.

I think it's Swann's availability that messes us up more than anything by disrupting the 4 seamers + Sammy model. Broad has been class for us, but I'd rather just have Swann for OD stuff.

Our team next week is going to be horrific.

[zydol]

Originally Posted by YAMS

You don't not play your best player.

I'm not saying he would have saved us but he's our VC and imo has been our best player this season. Could easily have dropped the innefective Fletcher for Broad.

Other than Broad's destruction of Warks last season I don't think the two England players have brough us anything at all. All they have done is upset the balance of the team and make us look disjointed and unprofessional.

i am agreeing with you on this yams.

also swann and broad haven't played at all this year, so i dont expect them to come in and take 5 wkts each and score shed loads.

All we doing is giving them match hardest for england which is ****ing up Notts balance in the team. For me i would not play them unless they have played for England and have been dropped and need to prove themselves

For me England can **** off - Notts first for me every-time

[KP Nuts]

Originally Posted by YAMS

You don't not play your best player.

I'm not saying he would have saved us but he's our VC and imo has been our best player this season. Could easily have dropped the innefective Fletcher for Broad.

Other than Broad's destruction of Warks last season I don't think the two England players have brough us anything at all. All they have done is upset the balance of the team and make us look disjointed and unprofessional.

I'm going to also concur.

I have been historically critical of Franks (past two seasons aside) because of what could have been. But over the past two seasons he has been the glue in the side. Dependable with bat and ball (except when opening either!). A real Notts man.

Would probably not have made the difference to a loss, but would certainly have decreased the deficit.

[Petarea]

Originally Posted by zydol

Swann as come off - didn't look very interested im sorry to sayjust goes to show you how poor we battered this morning every wicket a ***** shot

We have been hammered

Standard.

[Petarea]

Originally Posted by KP Nuts

I'm going to also concur.

I have been historically critical of Franks (past two seasons aside) because of what could have been. But over the past two seasons he has been the glue in the side. Dependable with bat and ball (except when opening either!). A real Notts man.

Would probably not have made the difference to a loss, but would certainly have decreased the deficit.

I too am fully in agreement with this, but that's not surprising I guess, as to me this is no different from the way we ****ed around with the T20 side for last seasons semi's in order to accommodate Swann's ego.

Just because they are 'England stars' does not mean they will simply walk into the team and produce cricket of such brilliance we could only dream of our mere mortal regulars achieving such levels.

Sometimes, as I banged on about in the run up to the T20's, a team is better than the sum of its parts. And what drives this to happen is team spirit and character.

I too have been very very critcal of Franks, probably the worst offender on here, but credit where it is due, he finally stepped up last season and this and has been one of our best performers over the last 18 months, in all manner of ways. I think someone called him the glue that has kept the side together and I think that is a pretty spot on analysis of the guy over the last couple of seasons. Making him of all players the fall guy so we can try and play a couple of England players into form was a shocker of a decision and I hope he bounces back ok. Patto's form after his disgraceful removal from our T20 side last season took him well over a month to get back into the groove again.

And as for Swann. The bloke is an utter utter ****! We are going to be depleted to **** next week. At such times, you would expect to be able to look to your 'stars' to raise their game, lift the team and drive them on. Anyone on here believe Swann has the character to do this? Anyone??? To lead from the front a side he doesn't really want to even be playing for? Anyone???

I don't care how depleted we are next week, I'd far rather we played some 18 year old kid from the 2nd's as our spinning option who wants to wear the shirt, than that egotistical clown who couldn't even outbowl a player who has copped plenty of flak over the last couple of years for being a lazy, uninterested, fat, mentally weak waste of space who shouldn't even be playing at County level. And it's only recently he has even worked on his bowling to any great degree.

Swann more than anyone, as pointed out by Zyds, messes up our team completely. Broad can quite easily slot in for a Fletcher or a Shreck and at least he wants to play and win when he does so.

Newell, please make our last match the last one Swann ever turns out for please and tell the ECB to go **** themselves!!

[Baron Shakattak Greenback]

We really need to find some batsmen who know what it means to guts an innings out. Voges did it well yesterday until he got out in pretty limp fashion, but a lot of the dismissals were a bit too Hollywood. I don't buy the "it's the way they play" defence, I never bought it with Pietersen and I don't buy it with our boys, in the match situation, with that much time left, we should have been batting time, picking up the runs where possible, certainly until Broad came in.

Sussex showed that it wasn't a bad pitch by cantering to victory. Really to be bowled out for 150-odd was the biggest problem, but the situation wasn't irretrievable even at that stage.

[zydol]

Originally Posted by Petarea

I too am fully in agreement with this, but that's not surprising I guess, as to me this is no different from the way we ****ed around with the T20 side for last seasons semi's in order to accommodate Swann's ego.

Just because they are 'England stars' does not mean they will simply walk into the team and produce cricket of such brilliance we could only dream of our mere mortal regulars achieving such levels.

Sometimes, as I banged on about in the run up to the T20's, a team is better than the sum of its parts. And what drives this to happen is team spirit and character.

I too have been very very critcal of Franks, probably the worst offender on here, but credit where it is due, he finally stepped up last season and this and has been one of our best performers over the last 18 months, in all manner of ways. I think someone called him the glue that has kept the side together and I think that is a pretty spot on analysis of the guy over the last couple of seasons. Making him of all players the fall guy so we can try and play a couple of England players into form was a shocker of a decision and I hope he bounces back ok. Patto's form after his disgraceful removal from our T20 side last season took him well over a month to get back into the groove again.

And as for Swann. The bloke is an utter utter ****! We are going to be depleted to **** next week. At such times, you would expect to be able to look to your 'stars' to raise their game, lift the team and drive them on. Anyone on here believe Swann has the character to do this? Anyone??? To lead from the front a side he doesn't really want to even be playing for? Anyone???

I don't care how depleted we are next week, I'd far rather we played some 18 year old kid from the 2nd's as our spinning option who wants to wear the shirt, than that egotistical clown who couldn't even outbowl a player who has copped plenty of flak over the last couple of years for being a lazy, uninterested, fat, mentally weak waste of space who shouldn't even be playing at County level. And it's only recently he has even worked on his bowling to any great degree.

Swann more than anyone, as pointed out by Zyds, messes up our team completely. Broad can quite easily slot in for a Fletcher or a Shreck and at least he wants to play and win when he does so.

Newell, please make our last match the last one Swann ever turns out for please and tell the ECB to go **** themselves!!

It might have been your comments on here pet that inspired Franks, you never know, i did hear that some of the players read this site but i am not 100% on that, does anyone out there know?

just wondering if the same players who got us to the 20/20 final last year will try as hard this year, knowing full well that if we do get to the finals again they will be left out

[zydol]

Originally Posted by Baron Shakattak Greenback

We really need to find some batsmen who know what it means to guts an innings out. Voges did it well yesterday until he got out in pretty limp fashion, but a lot of the dismissals were a bit too Hollywood. I don't buy the "it's the way they play" defence, I never bought it with Pietersen and I don't buy it with our boys, in the match situation, with that much time left, we should have been batting time, picking up the runs where possible, certainly until Broad came in.

Sussex showed that it wasn't a bad pitch by cantering to victory. Really to be bowled out for 150-odd was the biggest problem, but the situation wasn't irretrievable even at that stage.

What you need is a batting coach who knows what hes talking about.

Mark Butcher on sky after watching our openers for a few balls pick up faults with their batting.

Paul johnson as got some good young batsmen to work with if any of them fail to push on then johnson should be sacked. Myself i sack him now hes hopeless, Our batting as been rubbish for ages, so some of the blame must be at his door

[Petarea]

Originally Posted by zydol

It might have been your comments on here pet that inspired Franks, you never know, i did hear that some of the players read this site but i am not 100% on that, does anyone out there know?
just wondering if the same players who got us to the 20/20 final last year will try as hard this year, knowing full well that if we do get to the finals again they will be left out

Interesting, although if Newell does, he must have skin thicker than Rino hide

Good point about the motivation of the players this time around as well. Team spirit got us through some seriously sticky moments in that tournament last year. I doubt it will be the same again. Similarly the CC as well now.

[Petarea]

Originally Posted by zydol

What you need is a batting coach who knows what hes talking about.

Mark Butcher on sky after watching our openers for a few balls pick up faults with their batting.

Paul johnson as got some good young batsmen to work with if any of them fail to push on then johnson should be sacked. Myself i sack him now hes hopeless, Our batting as been rubbish for ages, so some of the blame must be at his door

I agree about Jonno. Our appalling ability to make batsmen worse has gone on for too long to be a coincidence. I like the bloke, loved him when he played for us and was pleased to see him kept on by the club. He was never bigheaded either, accepting he was lucky enough to be part of a Notts side that won him more medals than many players with better ability than himslf achieved in their careers.

But I really cannot take much more of our top order (not just the openers) continued failures.

[Sir Virgs and Zamora]

Sack all of them. Who cares you won the title and doing okay so far this year?

[Petarea]

Originally Posted by Sir Virgs and Zamora

Sack all of them. Who cares you won the title and doing okay so far this year?

We are Nottinghamshire! We demand excellence. If we were better still, we wouldn't have to rely on other teams choking in order to win silverware. That is where I would like us to be.

[Sir Virgs and Zamora]

Originally Posted by Petarea

We are Nottinghamshire! We demand excellence. If we were better still, we wouldn't have to rely on other teams choking in order to win silverware. That is where I would like us to be.

Kent got relegated so tredders won't be able to skittle them again.

[A Newbie]

The Newcastle/Chelsea of the CCC?

Faceitous take on things aside, every time I come across this thread or just Notts discussion in general, seems it's never enough. What I'm trying to say is, are expectations perhaps a bit on the lofty side?

[Parr Stand]

I notice that so far there isn't a report our Notts website about the third day's play in the game between Sussex Second Eleven and Notts Seconds. Notts were on top after two days, so I wonder if Notts triumphed and whoever is in charge of Notts website is too embarrassed to put up the report about it after the first teams diabolical performance at Hovel.

[sweatysock]

a double defeat for you, im delighted to say

http://www.sussexcricket.co.uk/news/...+Notts+double/

[geoff_boycotts_grandmother]

Devon Endersby - great name.

[ChivaIsDead]

Originally Posted by Petarea

We are Nottinghamshire! We demand excellence. If we were better still, we wouldn't have to rely on other teams choking in order to win silverware. That is where I would like us to be.

I don't think it's a question of demanding excellence, nor even consistency. We are going to win and lose matches because the standard of county cricket is not all that great. Any side can triumph over another. In that respect, we have done excellently to not only compete in recent seasons, but to stay above sides with better players (players who are better than our best player, that is) and greater resources (money-wise, Nottinghamshire may be a 'test county', but the examples of Sidebottom, Kirby and Gemaal, all of whom we supposedly made offers to (I'm not sure we did in the latter two cases, but who knows) if true would suggest that other counties have more money to throw about). What I do want to see is a batting line-up that functions with reasonable regularity. A batting line-up that has made collapsing the norm is not acceptable. Nottinghamshire has made a rearguard, tail-end fightback the standard and that's not good enough. In the past, there was a tendency to blame Newell for our ills. I think it's become clear that Newell does a very good job, unfortunately, he is only as good as the components around him.