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Old 20th February 2018, 10:52   #1
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Players leaving first class cricket

Thought this deserved a thread on it's own. First Rashid, now Hales have signed white-ball only contracts.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/sport...ay-1237033?vvv

Who's next to go down this route? David Willey seems a certainty, maybe Jason Roy too? Eoin Morgan basically plays no first class cricket anyway. It seems only aspirations to play for Tests will stop more players doing this.

It's also worth noting, that when the new city-based T20 competition starts, it will be played during the county 50-over competition - so these players could soon be T20 only cricketers.
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Old 20th February 2018, 10:59   #2
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I'm sure I read something about Roy wanting to play Test cricket (but if he does, and it doesn't work out, then yes, probably him too).
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Old 20th February 2018, 11:10   #3
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If Jos Buttler and Sam Billings lose out to the likes of Malan in filling the holes in the top five of England's Test match batting order, they will be next.

Both can now only get in the Test side solely as batsmen because Foakes has overtaken them as keeping understudy to Bairstow.

Can see Chris Jordan going down the white ball only route, too.
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Old 20th February 2018, 12:00   #4
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The players will end up driving the changes needed in the game that the authorities and counties are too callow to bring about.
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A natural result of Strauss and other dolts at the ECB saying they will prioritise the 50 over format to fill the coffers at the 2019 world cup.

Time for fans to step up and tell the ECB to do one.
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Old 20th February 2018, 13:04   #7
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I'm sure I read something about Roy wanting to play Test cricket (but if he does, and it doesn't work out, then yes, probably him too).
Thanks to his IPL contract and England commitments he played fewer Championship matches than Alistair Cook (who appeared in all seven Tests)last year, and that's despite Essex choosing not to pick Cook for at least two matches for which he was made available.

Roy's IPL contract was only 15k. I'm sure Surrey could have afforded to match that to persuade him to stay, but they aren't allowed to due to the salary cap. I can't understand why the ECB appears to actively encourage county players to go off and appear in domestic competitions overseas during our won season.
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Old 20th February 2018, 13:46   #8
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I knew it would come to this.

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Old 20th February 2018, 18:30   #9
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These are all players who have experienced the test dressing room and would have been in contention for a recall after England got thumped this winter with their direct rivals all struggling.

I can understand Morgan and Mills concentrating on white ball cricket or even a David Willey or Jason Roy who don't appear to be on the test radar but Hales and Rashid had genuine chances to play test cricket again this summer and better records than many of their competitors. I struggle to believe it is about money when central contracts are so lucrative and hard to lose.

Is there something wrong in the England test (as distinct to limited overs, which they are all happy to play) dressing room?
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These are all players who have experienced the test dressing room and would have been in contention for a recall after England got thumped this winter with their direct rivals all struggling.

I can understand Morgan and Mills concentrating on white ball cricket or even a David Willey or Jason Roy who don't appear to be on the test radar but Hales and Rashid had genuine chances to play test cricket again this summer and better records than many of their competitors. I struggle to believe it is about money when central contracts are so lucrative and hard to lose.

Is there something wrong in the England test (as distinct to limited overs, which they are all happy to play) dressing room?
Maybe they've been told otherwise.
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I don't see the logic behind it myself, unless they just don't enjoy playing four or five day cricket. It's not as if they are any more or less likely to get an IPL contract by doing it and surely we are still likely to play ODIs somewhere during the Big Bash and/or the other franchise competitions. They are just taking a pay cut and will spend most of the summer doing bugger all when they are pretty much in the peak of their careers.
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Old 20th February 2018, 19:19   #12
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Maybe they've been told otherwise.
By who though? We know Bayliss only has an ancillary role in selection.

Whitaker?

Root?

Strauss?
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By who though? We know Bayliss only has an ancillary role in selection.

Whitaker?

Root?

Strauss?
No idea but either they care little for test cricket or see very little prospect of playing in the format again. I am sure such decisions wouldn't have been made without some discussion with selectors/coaches about their international career.
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I don't see the logic behind it myself, unless they just don't enjoy playing four or five day cricket. It's not as if they are any more or less likely to get an IPL contract by doing it and surely we are still likely to play ODIs somewhere during the Big Bash and/or the other franchise competitions. They are just taking a pay cut and will spend most of the summer doing bugger all when they are pretty much in the peak of their careers.
I doubt that, Sharky. The 2018 international cricket calendar shows white ball competitions taking place around the world in 11 months of the year.

As for getting an IPL contract, by becoming white ball only specialists they can only enhance their chances.

I can almost guarantee you that Hales and Rashid will make more money in 2018 than in any other year of their careers to date.
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Everything I love about cricket is being destroyed.
I'm not sure it's a massive problem. The likes of Hales, Billings, Rashid etc aren't good enough to be enduring Test players so no great loss there. With regard to their county places, well, let them plough their furrows elsewhere, freeing up places for other hopefuls to advance through the system.
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I doubt that, Sharky. The 2018 international cricket calendar shows white ball competitions taking place around the world in 11 months of the year.

As for getting an IPL contract, by becoming white ball only specialists they can only enhance their chances.

I can almost guarantee you that Hales and Rashid will make more money in 2018 than in any other year of their careers to date.
Theyve already missed out on the Big Bash and the IPL. I doubt they will go to the CPL either and unless they are retiring from international cricket surely they will be unavailable for some of the other competitions? I've not checked the international schedule for the winter mind you.
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First class matches by England players for their counties in 2017

0 - Morgan
1 - Stokes
2 - Root, Bairstow, Plunkett, Woakes
3 - Ali
4 - Buttler
5 - Broad, Anderson, Roy, Wood
6 - Billings
7 - Rashid, Cook, Hales, Crane, Ball
8 - Malan
9 - Curran, Roland-Jones
11 - Jordan
12 - Stoneman, Vince

and the T20s going on around the world.

BPL - 4 Nov-12 Dec
CSA T20 -10 Nov-Dec 16
Super Smash - 13 Dec-Jan 20
Big Bash - 19 Dec-Feb 4
HK T20 Blitz - 6 Feb-11 Feb
PSL - 22 Feb-25 Mar
IPL - 7 April-27 May
T20 Blast - 4 Jul-15 Sep
CPL - 8 Aug-16 Sep
LPL - 18 Aug-10 Sep

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Old 21st February 2018, 07:54   #18
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Roy Wood played 5 matches?

Shame really as he's quite a Wizard with the ball.

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Giving up proper cricket hasn't worked out for Mitchell McClenaghen thus far. No guarantees it'll work for any of this lot. I'd think you'd lose a fair bit of focus by doing this and it might negatively impact your overall ability, even if it might improve potential longevity. Makes sense for Tymal Mills, maybe. Not sure it will for anyone else.
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These are all players who have experienced the test dressing room and would have been in contention for a recall after England got thumped this winter with their direct rivals all struggling.

I can understand Morgan and Mills concentrating on white ball cricket or even a David Willey or Jason Roy who don't appear to be on the test radar but Hales and Rashid had genuine chances to play test cricket again this summer and better records than many of their competitors. I struggle to believe it is about money when central contracts are so lucrative and hard to lose.

Is there something wrong in the England test (as distinct to limited overs, which they are all happy to play) dressing room?
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No idea but either they care little for test cricket or see very little prospect of playing in the format again. I am sure such decisions wouldn't have been made without some discussion with selectors/coaches about their international career.
I too think this is a bit odd. I can't see how Hales would have gone to the selectors and been told he's out of the test picture though, especially given our batting travails. Rashid is possibly a different case, as I rather suspect he's not highly regarded as a test prospect and that his face doesn't fit, for whatever reasons. This is a reading between the lines exercise, obviously but taking Mason Crane to Australia ahead of him was a far more massive slap in the selection face than Hales also missing out. Also, the English summer clearly isn't Rashid's best chance of a test gig anyway.

Roy has a plausible chance to play tests, I think.
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