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Old 28th February 2018, 10:47   #41
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So true.

And I wonder whether that will determine the longevity of the format?
I remember how the John Player League was going to lay the golden eggs forever. A reduced format for shorter attention spans, played on days when families had access, where lads could drink through the game...

But limited overs cricket has always been obliged to perpetually re-evolve in order to remain viable and I've no doubt this will continue to happen.
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Old 28th February 2018, 21:20   #42
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If today's NZ v England game proves anything, there is too much international cricket, that was a game no one will remember.
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Old 28th February 2018, 21:37   #43
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If today's NZ v England game proves anything, there is too much international cricket, that was a game no one will remember.
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The same can be said of test cricket as much as the limited over stuff though. Even of the better attended, better covered matches in England and Australia.
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Old 1st March 2018, 08:54   #44
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Very small crowd this morning for SA V Australia. .
How much are tickets? Any one know.
Happy to be watching though, won't be going anywhere today with the snow falling in Kent
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Old 1st March 2018, 09:25   #45
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Very small crowd this morning for SA V Australia. .
How much are tickets? Any one know.
Happy to be watching though, won't be going anywhere today with the snow falling in Kent
I've seen quite a few Test matches in South Africa - including the last SA v Australia series - and tickets are around 4 - 4.50.

What is interesting is that the crowd grows bigger throughout the day. If you've paid 60-70 for a ticket at Lords or the Oval you feel obligated to be there from the first ball. If you're paying 4 on the gate, you feel relaxed about turning up after lunch or bringing the kids after school just for the final session.
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Old 1st March 2018, 18:31   #46
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The brave new world hasnt started well for hales and rashid. Neither picked up in the cpl draft.
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Old 1st March 2018, 18:38   #47
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Giving up proper cricket hasn't worked out for Mitchell McClenaghen thus far. No guarantees it'll work for any of this lot. I'd think you'd lose a fair bit of focus by doing this and it might negatively impact your overall ability, even if it might improve potential longevity. Makes sense for Tymal Mills, maybe. Not sure it will for anyone else.
It's probably a good idea for Recce Topley as well at least for a season or two, no idea why Rashid and Hales are doing it as neither have been picked up for the IPL and I wouldn't have thought the tournies at the end of the season aren't going to be paying that much for players who can't get in to the IPL . It may have nothing to do with cricket or money though, who knows.
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Old 1st March 2018, 18:44   #48
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The brave new world hasnt started well for hales and rashid. Neither picked up in the cpl draft.
Hales seemingly not in our first choice ODI team either. It still seems a strange choice by him especially.
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Old 1st March 2018, 22:06   #49
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Hales seemingly not in our first choice ODI team either. It still seems a strange choice by him especially.
Very strange choice. He must have been close to test middle order.
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I think Hales was given enough time in the test side to demonstrate that he's not really a candidate for future test selection.
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Old 2nd March 2018, 09:54   #51
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I think Hales was given enough time in the test side to demonstrate that he's not really a candidate for future test selection.
11 Tests - as an opener - and an average of 27.

Compared to Keaton Jennings (6 @ 24); Mark Stoneman (8 @ 27); Adam Lyth (7 @ 20); Sam Robson (7 @ 30) etc.

So, not really outstandingly bad or good. As a middle order batsman I suspect he'd be better than James Vince (12 @ 22)...

But I guess we'll never know now. A shame.
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11 Tests - as an opener - and an average of 27.

Compared to Keaton Jennings (6 @ 24); Mark Stoneman (8 @ 27); Adam Lyth (7 @ 20); Sam Robson (7 @ 30) etc.

So, not really outstandingly bad or good. As a middle order batsman I suspect he'd be better than James Vince (12 @ 22)...

But I guess we'll never know now. A shame.
I think all those players, once dropped, need to demonstrate some consistency at Championship level to earn another chance. They haven't suddenly become better whilst others struggled in Australia. Vince was recalled on a hunch and flopped.
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I think all those players, once dropped, need to demonstrate some consistency at Championship level to earn another chance. .
Like Ballance? Scored countless runs for Yorks to win a recall last summer for two tests - and failed four times.

There are a few who do get recalled, like Ballance and Vince. But the current philosophy of England management is predominantly that once a player has been 'found out' not to go back and instead look to the next cab on the rank.

By and large, I think that is right. As you point out, we shouldn't fall into the trap of kidding ourselves that past discards like Hales et al have somehow become better Test match batsmen by not having to face Starc/Cummins/Hazlewood and Lyon...
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Like Ballance? Scored countless runs for Yorks to win a recall last summer for two tests - and failed four times.

There are a few who do get recalled, like Ballance and Vince. But the current philosophy of England management is predominantly that once a player has been 'found out' not to go back and instead look to the next cab on the rank.

By and large, I think that is right. As you point out, we shouldn't fall into the trap of kidding ourselves that past discards like Hales et al have somehow become better Test match batsmen by not having to face Starc/Cummins/Hazlewood and Lyon...
I think it helps if the selectors and coaches take a good look at those discarded players while they're back at their counties, to see if they've managed to adjust their technique/approach sufficiently to make a recall viable. I saw Ballance at the crease several times during his exile and, although he made good runs, he hadn't seemed to have addressed the issue of the shoddy footwork that exposed him at Test level. I do hope it's not simply an issue of the selectors looking at Cricinfo and saying "Suchandsuch has been scoring heavily for Loamshire, let's try him again"
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Hales probably spent a fair time playing against Pattinson in the nets at Trent bridge last season. May have learned a bit.

By the way, wasn't Steve Smith dropped after he made his debut? What a shame for us the Aussie selectors didn't follow our 'one chance & you're out' policy*. eh!

*A policy that was broken for Ballance, Compton and Vince, of course.
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Apparently Jonny Bairstow has no intentions of giving up Test cricket

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/43259090

Well, who thought he might?
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Pattinson in the nets? It was starc, Hazelwood and Cummins in the middle that were the problem!
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Old 2nd March 2018, 17:49   #58
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The brave new world hasnt started well for hales and rashid. Neither picked up in the cpl draft.
Mills tweeted about this earlier. I presume the same applies for Hales and Rashid

You have to be in the draft to be eligible to be signed as a replacement player should our counties not qualify for the KO stages of the blast. Never expected to be picked up
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Mills tweeted about this earlier. I presume the same applies for Hales and Rashid

You have to be in the draft to be eligible to be signed as a replacement player should our counties not qualify for the KO stages of the blast. Never expected to be picked up

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