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Old 20th January 2018, 12:57   #201
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I don't care about this stuff, Stokes could be Jack the Ripper and I still wouldn't care, I just want to see him back playing cricket again.

The Ashes and ODI series in Australia has been a lesser spectacle without him.
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Old 20th January 2018, 12:58   #202
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I don't care about this stuff, I just want to see Stokes back playing cricket again.

The Ashes and ODI series in Australia has been a lesser spectacle without him.
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Old 20th January 2018, 12:59   #203
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Excellent and detailed legal assessment from a criminal justice expert on the splendid Full Toss website:

"Allegations such as that facing Stokes are usually considered so serious that only a custodial sentence will suffice; the potential harm associated with knocking a victim unconscious ordinarily means a prison sentence is inevitable...."

However, all would not be lost for Stokes.

"Working on the assumption Stokes has no previous criminal convictions and is committed to engaging fully with interventions to prevent a recurrence of such behaviour, the Judge will be more likely to suspend the period of imprisonment."

And no, none of that is covered by sub judice.It is simply an expert's objective assessment of the legal position re sentencing.
Interesting.

It will be interesting to see how the ECB react in the event that Stokes pleads, or is found, guilty.
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Old 20th January 2018, 14:47   #204
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Ian Botham would say this is a load of old nonsense.

Ian Chappell would say this is a load of old nonsense.

They would agree to disagree and and then try and sort it out with a punch up in the MCG carpark, which is the way every cricket dispute should be sorted.

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Old 20th January 2018, 15:17   #205
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Ian Botham would say this a load of old nonsense.

Ian Chappell would say this is a load of old nonsense.

They would agree to disagree and and then try and sort it out with a punch up in the MCG carpark, which is the way every cricket dispute should be sorted.
A load of old nonsense seems to be pretty apt way to describe your post.
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Old 20th January 2018, 15:22   #206
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Ian Botham would say this a load of old nonsense.

Ian Chappell would say this is a load of old nonsense.

They would agree to disagree and and then try and sort it out with a punch up in the MCG carpark, which is the way every cricket dispute should be sorted.
Pistols at dawn in a quiet meadow surely. What is cricket coming to? Things were different in my day.
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Old 20th January 2018, 15:58   #207
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Excellent and detailed legal assessment from a criminal justice expert on the splendid Full Toss website:

"Allegations such as that facing Stokes are usually considered so serious that only a custodial sentence will suffice; the potential harm associated with knocking a victim unconscious ordinarily means a prison sentence is inevitable...."

However, all would not be lost for Stokes.

"Working on the assumption Stokes has no previous criminal convictions and is committed to engaging fully with interventions to prevent a recurrence of such behaviour, the Judge will be more likely to suspend the period of imprisonment."

And no, none of that is covered by sub judice.It is simply an expert's objective assessment of the legal position re sentencing.
Ooh look, there's already a Stokes thread...

http://www.cricket247.org/community/...ad.php?t=17013
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Old 21st January 2018, 00:25   #208
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Excellent and detailed legal assessment from a criminal justice expert on the splendid Full Toss website:

"Allegations such as that facing Stokes are usually considered so serious that only a custodial sentence will suffice; the potential harm associated with knocking a victim unconscious ordinarily means a prison sentence is inevitable...."

However, all would not be lost for Stokes.

"Working on the assumption Stokes has no previous criminal convictions and is committed to engaging fully with interventions to prevent a recurrence of such behaviour, the Judge will be more likely to suspend the period of imprisonment."

And no, none of that is covered by sub judice.It is simply an expert's objective assessment of the legal position re sentencing.
I'm not sure how to phrase this, as someone messaged me saying the forum could be in contempt of court so let me put it like this:

If Mr Lokes was not a famous guitar player, he would be receiving a jail term at squiggly wiggly penitentiary, but since Mr Lokes is no ordinary man, he'll get away with a few school assemblies.
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Old 21st January 2018, 00:55   #209
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I'm not sure how to phrase this, as someone messaged me saying the forum could be in contempt of court so let me put it like this:

If Mr Lokes was not a famous guitar player, he would be receiving a jail term at squiggly wiggly penitentiary, but since Mr Lokes is no ordinary man, he'll get away with a few school assemblies.
A judge might grandstand by sentencing the guitar star to jail while anybody else he might just give him a suspended since judges are under pressure to ease prison overcrowding. So he'll just have to strum away in his cell.
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Old 21st January 2018, 13:06   #210
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Ooh look, there's already a Stokes thread...

http://www.cricket247.org/community/...ad.php?t=17013
Duly moved. Once again a message to all to desist from discussing the particulars of the case and note that what was discussed was the possible outcome in the Full Toss article.
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Old 21st January 2018, 13:51   #211
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Duly moved. Once again a message to all to desist from discussing the particulars of the case and note that what was discussed was the possible outcome in the Full Toss article.
In the Ashes thread some Aussie posters were going to send him to Tyburn even before they'd decided whether to charge him.
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Old 29th January 2018, 16:30   #212
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Interesting that even though Alex Hales will be called as a witness in the trial, he seems to feel at liberty to talk to the media about that infamous night in Bristol and the lessons he has learnt from it about the responsibilities he and his team mates have as England players...

His words of contrition are in stark contrast to the defiance of Stokes, who instead of talking about learning lessons and behaving more responsibly merely says that he intends to "clear his name".
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Old 29th January 2018, 16:36   #213
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Interesting that even though Alex Hales will be called as a witness in the trial, he seems to feel at liberty to talk to the media about that infamous night in Bristol and the lessons he has learnt from it about the responsibilities he and his team mates have as England players...

His words of contrition are in stark contrast to the defiance of Stokes, who instead of talking about learning lessons and behaving more responsibly merely says that he intends to "clear his name".
I think you should wait for the trial - if there is one - not sure Stokes has even entered a plea yet.
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Old 29th January 2018, 16:37   #214
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...Stokes, who instead of talking about learning lessons and behaving more responsibly merely says that he intends to "clear his name".
If that's his intention, perhaps he's targeting the few taking any interest in the case who haven't seen the video.
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Old 29th January 2018, 16:46   #215
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Interesting that even though Alex Hales will be called as a witness in the trial, he seems to feel at liberty to talk to the media about that infamous night in Bristol and the lessons he has learnt from it about the responsibilities he and his team mates have as England players...

His words of contrition are in stark contrast to the defiance of Stokes, who instead of talking about learning lessons and behaving more responsibly merely says that he intends to "clear his name".
I suppose the idea of clearing one's name is more applicable in a situation where one is being taken to court than in a situation where one isn't.
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I suppose the idea of clearing one's name is more applicable in a situation where one is being taken to court than in a situation where one isn't.


That wasn't the central point though, which was that it is surprising that Hales, as a witness in the case, is allowed to discuss with the media matters pertaining to that night and the consequences ensuing...

Prosecuting counsel: "Mr Stokes, your colleague Mr Hales , who says that he was with you that night, tells us that he has learnt lessons from what happened, concerning his repsonsibilities. What lessons have you learned from that night about your responsibilities?"

The answer will be fascinating!
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I think you should wait for the trial - if there is one - not sure Stokes has even entered a plea yet.
No need for me to wait - I'm not a witness in the case. The point I was making was that Hales would be advised to wait for the trial and to keep his comments in abeyance until he's giving evidence under oath....

His talk of 'learning lessons' and 'responsibilities' could potentially undermine Stokes - or could certainly be used by a clever prosecutor to do so...
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That wasn't the central point though, which was that it is surprising that Hales, as a witness in the case, is allowed to discuss with the media matters pertaining to that night and the consequences ensuing...

Prosecuting counsel: "Mr Stokes, your colleague Mr Hales , who says that he was with you that night, tells us that he has learnt lessons from what happened, concerning his repsonsibilities. What lessons have you learned from that night about your responsibilities?"

The answer will be fascinating!
Wouldn't his council object? The question would presume guilt.
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Wouldn't his council object? The question would presume guilt.
Who knows what would happen in WaK's fantasy soap opera world?
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Who knows what would happen in WaK's fantasy soap opera world?

Eh ? I'm sure Stokes and every England cicket supporter wish it was a fantasy, Ali, but affray is a serious charge carrying a potential custodial sentence.

But I agree, the way it has dragged out is a bit like a sopa opera.

Questions about Hales statement would not be inadmissable, square leg umpire, and "learning lessons" is not an admission of guilt - although it clearly implies being in the wrong. Which comes back to my point: why is Hales saying these things and why is he being allowed to air them in the media?
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