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Old 20th November 2015, 17:36   #541
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Pakistan is doing a decent job of chasing here. They appear most likely to run out of wickets, mind you, before they get close. Rather a sketchy bowling performance by our lot. I wonder what the odds look like on Pakistan getting these?
Is they? May be too much och the noooo
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Old 20th November 2015, 17:37   #542
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Pakistan is doing a decent job of chasing here. They appear most likely to run out of wickets, mind you, before they get close. Rather a sketchy bowling performance by our lot. I wonder what the odds look like on Pakistan getting these?
Very long now at 11s but were under 4s before the last wicket fell.
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Old 20th November 2015, 17:48   #543
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Good captaincy to keep the mid on up. Good to see adil getting wickets today.
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Well done moeen. Deserved that after bowling relatively tightly this spell and after that drop.

Decent series win but pakistan's batting is awful.
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Malik was the key wicket there. Jos will rightly get the win his innings deserved.
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Old 20th November 2015, 17:53   #546
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Is they? May be too much och the noooo
You say tomahto and I say tomayto, you say banahna and I say bananna...

You say Pakistan are and I say Pakistan is. Spice of life, I reckon.

I am really disappointed that the ICC corruption unit is/are investigating the last one dayer, but it seems understandable given events that unfolded.
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Well done moeen. Deserved that after bowling relatively tightly this spell and after that drop.

Decent series win but pakistan's batting is awful.
Pakistan's batting has been pretty good today, although insufficiently so (not utterly over yet today) and awful in the middle two games and not great in the first.
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Old 20th November 2015, 18:11   #548
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You say tomahto and I say tomayto, you say banahna and I say bananna...

You say Pakistan are and I say Pakistan is. Spice of life, I reckon.

I am really disappointed that the ICC corruption unit is/are investigating the last one dayer, but it seems understandable given events that unfolded.
With Rashid picking up 3fer the unit may be taking a look at this game too
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Old 20th November 2015, 18:12   #549
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Decent effort by the spinners today. 3 for 53 and 3 for 78. Runs on the board.
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Congratulations to moeen Ali who was top wicket taker for any side over the whole tour
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Was that one of the myriad of prizes handed out in the after match presentation? Was it the imam or the car salesman who presented the cheque?
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Ali's bowing has been really good this series, hasn't it? Rashid did well today but his economy both today (which is fair enough) and for the series is to take a look at and wince.
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A series win should be worthy of celebration, but it somehow feels a bit hollow right now.
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Looking forward to watching Jos's'sss'ss''''s innings later on.

Not sure how you can leave that kind of talent out of any team, need to sort his head out in the longer format.

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He needs to be given his head and told to just play as he does in ODI cricket. Don't over think it and just go.
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Yep I'd rather he failed quick than failed playing as he has been. Although the difference in his first class and list A records did suggest he might struggle in tests.
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He needs to be given his head and told to just play as he does in ODI cricket. Don't over think it and just go.
I think that's bad advice though, and that any sensible person would be able to identify it as such. In fact, the only reason you would give someone that advice would be if you didn't think they were capable of playing the match situation on its merits and the bowling on its merits. ODI innings end after 50 overs but in a test match you can bat for days. There's no way of removing those basic facts from Buttler's brain. Whatever the problem has been with Buttler in tests, I don't think there are any easy answers. They tried to keep him in for test after test when he was a walking wicket. They dropped him because they had to -- and it seems also, now in retrospect, that that was the only way of enabling him to play well again in ODI cricket, his obvious forte. I think it would be ridiculous to pick him for tests now.
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I think that's bad advice though, and that any sensible person would be able to identify it as such. In fact, the only reason you would give someone that advice would be if you didn't think they were capable of playing the match situation on its merits and the bowling on its merits. ODI innings end after 50 overs but in a test match you can bat for days. There's no way of removing those basic facts from Buttler's brain. Whatever the problem has been with Buttler in tests, I don't think there are any easy answers. They tried to keep him in for test after test when he was a walking wicket. They dropped him because they had to -- and it seems also, now in retrospect, that that was the only way of enabling him to play well again in ODI cricket, his obvious forte. I think it would be ridiculous to pick him for tests now.
Yeah, but you wouldn't pick the best bowlers for a side if they could bat well or vice versa so...
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Shitty comebacks aside I don't necessarily disagree with anything you've written Sans, but I feel, having watched Jos play test cricket, that he appears to be caught between two stalls. I don't think I've seen him play in the way he can in ODIs any time during his test career and he absolutely should be able to. I'm not saying that he is being ordered to do so but maybe he has it in his head that he should play a certain way in long-form cricket and he should be encouraged to play his more natural ODI game. At 7 in a batting line-up he could be a powerful ally.
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Shitty comebacks aside I don't necessarily disagree with anything you've written Sans, but I feel, having watched Jos play test cricket, that he appears to be caught between two stalls. I don't think I've seen him play in the way he can in ODIs any time during his test career and he absolutely should be able to. I'm not saying that he is being ordered to do so but maybe he has it in his head that he should play a certain way in long-form cricket and he should be encouraged to play his more natural ODI game. At 7 in a batting line-up he could be a powerful ally.
I agree, he's immensely gifted and it's been frustrating to see him struggle in tests, and you would think there would be a way of him thinking himself into a place where he can do in tests what he can do in ODIs. I just think we've had enough evidence now -- and not just from Buttler -- that it's not necessarily that simple. I mean, you call it his natural ODI game, but is it really natural, or is it largely situational? If it actually is natural, then the first thing we should do is put him in to open in an ODI with a strike-feeder at the other end and tell him to score 500.
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