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Old 23rd October 2018, 02:47   #1461
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My Starting XI for the first test against India with an eye to choosing the best batsman in shield on merit, and discarding the batting all-rounder since all of Starc, Cummins & Pattinson average the same or more at test level as Mmarsh anyway, time to drain the (sons of) swampy!

1. Renshaw
2. Finch
3. Pucovski (FC ave 52)
4. Lehmann (FC ave 40)
5. Maxwell (FC ave 40)
6. Pattinson (as the nominal 'all-rounder')
7. Paine (C)
8. Cummins (VC)
9. Starc
10. Lyon
11. Hazelwood

12th Man; Chris Tremain.

Of course, this will never happen in a zillion years.
You jest of course over Pattinson at #6.. His body will likely rule him out of ever playing top level red ball cricket again.

Maxwell needs a hot start to the Shield. I may gamble on Pucovski but later in the series and not at#3. I know he bats there for the Vics. If you want a new leftie I would opt for Weatherald not Lehmann.

Mitch Marsh will remain in the team for India.. but my next cab off the rank for the so called all rounder spot is Jack Wildermuth. Hazlewood already has the deputy badge.
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Old 23rd October 2018, 14:54   #1462
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I hope Smith and Warner play the Ashes* because that should be a better contest. I'm disappointed they aren't available for the India series. I think cricket is the loser here.


*I reserve the right to reverse that when they start beating England
Three years ago, I expressed the hope that I'd see Smith make a century at Lord's. When he carried on past 200 the next day, I reminded myself to be careful what I wished for.
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Old 23rd October 2018, 16:14   #1463
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You jest of course over Pattinson at #6.. His body will likely rule him out of ever playing top level red ball cricket again.

Maxwell needs a hot start to the Shield. I may gamble on Pucovski but later in the series and not at#3. I know he bats there for the Vics. If you want a new leftie I would opt for Weatherald not Lehmann.

Mitch Marsh will remain in the team for India.. but my next cab off the rank for the so called all rounder spot is Jack Wildermuth. Hazlewood already has the deputy badge.
Yes, I said the likelihood of the team I proposed getting selected is impossible.

Weatherald averages 34 at FC level, I know the bar is set low, but we shouldn't accept just picking anyone who averages in the low 30s based on 'gut instinct' or 'feels' like Langer has done. Average at least in the mid / high 30s+ then we'll start talking. FC statistic must start accounting for something. We wouldn't select a bowler to open the bowling with a FC average of 40 because of 'gut' feel, batsman should be no different. The rumour that Renshaw wasn't selected because Langer thinks he's 'too cheeky in the changeroom' is really a dangerous precedent, when you're selecting blokes on their character traits and relationship with the coach ahead of playing ability.

Stoinis's name keeps getting thown up for that all-rounders position. His stats as an all-rounder are pretty mediocre, and I think at age 29 he's not going to make a sudden leap when he enters the test arena. That said, at least watching him fail would be a change from MMarsh doing it all the time.
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Old 24th October 2018, 02:33   #1464
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Yes, I said the likelihood of the team I proposed getting selected is impossible.

Weatherald averages 34 at FC level, I know the bar is set low, but we shouldn't accept just picking anyone who averages in the low 30s based on 'gut instinct' or 'feels' like Langer has done. Average at least in the mid / high 30s+ then we'll start talking. FC statistic must start accounting for something. We wouldn't select a bowler to open the bowling with a FC average of 40 because of 'gut' feel, batsman should be no different. The rumour that Renshaw wasn't selected because Langer thinks he's 'too cheeky in the changeroom' is really a dangerous precedent, when you're selecting blokes on their character traits and relationship with the coach ahead of playing ability.

Stoinis's name keeps getting thown up for that all-rounders position. His stats as an all-rounder are pretty mediocre, and I think at age 29 he's not going to make a sudden leap when he enters the test arena. That said, at least watching him fail would be a change from MMarsh doing it all the time.
The only blokes over @40 I would pick are Uz, Renshaw and Pucovski...Bear Cameron also. But I reckon CA has penciled thru his name. The only hi@30s players are a couple of veterans in Bailey and Ferguson. Having said that CA chose Labu(@33) Head (@36) for the UAE..that was baffling but both performed better than expected. Weatherald prob needs one more solid Shield under his belt. He is for mine the most consistent of the 21-25year olds..but he does have start nailing red ball centuries. Head and Kurtis Patterson are two more that have to start converting. I do like that Josh Philippe has started the season with a ton. This kid excites me. He could leapfrog all the "promising" blokes into a Baggy Green sooner rather than later.

I agree about Renshaw and that dangerous precedent to which you alluded.

Stoinis is a dud as an all rounder.. so is Cartwright. Their bowling is not up to Test standard. Marsh is no doubt the best with the ball of the all rounders. Wildermuth tho has potential as a bowling all rounder to bat at say #6/7/8 should Mitch not make the grade.

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Old 26th October 2018, 19:27   #1465
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Selectors drew the line through Bailey, White and Ferguson far too early. If they were afforded the chances and patience that the Marshes have had, i've no doubt they would be averaging in the high 30s to mid 40s as test crickters. Cameron White especially is a waste, as you had a ready made captain across all formats and/or one of the best leaders this country has produced, and to draw an even broader brush, theres no way sandpapergate would have been allowed to eventuate under the leadership of a Bailey or White, as opposed to the very green and naive Smith.
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Old 26th October 2018, 19:34   #1466
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In even more bad news, Will Pucovski has taken indefinite leave from the game due to mental health issues. Could this year be anymore deflating as an Australian cricket fan? I'm looking forward to the Big Bash, and not much else.
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Old 27th October 2018, 03:40   #1467
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Jake Lehmann with a ton, against an actual bowling attack too (unlike Harris's effort.) He now averages more at first-class level than anyone in our test squad for the UAE aside from Khawaja. Should be a certainty to bat at 6 for the summer.
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Old 27th October 2018, 07:30   #1468
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In even more bad news, Will Pucovski has taken indefinite leave from the game due to mental health issues. Could this year be anymore deflating as an Australian cricket fan? I'm looking forward to the Big Bash, and not much else.
Wow, that's sad to hear. Only heard about him just now with that double ton in the shield. Let's hope he can get better.

Article says he's suffered from concussions after lots of blows to his head, is that cricket related!?
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Old 27th October 2018, 08:43   #1469
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Wow, that's sad to hear. Only heard about him just now with that double ton in the shield. Let's hope he can get better.

Article says he's suffered from concussions after lots of blows to his head, is that cricket related!?
He's had 7 concussions from a combination of footy and cricket, and has had several set backs and time out of the game because of it, however i'm not sure his current mental health issue is related to concussion. Either way, get better soon. Cricket isn't all there is to life.
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Old 27th October 2018, 10:54   #1470
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Australia ODI squad to face South Africa

Aaron Finch (capt), Josh Hazlewood (vc), Alex Carey (vc), Ashton Agar, Pat Cummins, Nathan Coulter-Nile, Travis Head, Chris Lynn, Shaun Marsh, Glenn Maxwell, D'Arcy Short, Mitchell Starc, Marcus Stoinis, Adam Zampa

Going with 2 vice-captains as in the Tests. No Paine or Tye. Mitchell Marsh and Nathan Lyon have both been rested.
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Old 27th October 2018, 11:32   #1471
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St David of Warner doing his bit for the spirit of cricket - what a class act he is.
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Old 27th October 2018, 16:10   #1472
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Jake Lehmann with a ton, against an actual bowling attack too (unlike Harris's effort.) He now averages more at first-class level than anyone in our test squad for the UAE aside from Khawaja. Should be a certainty to bat at 6 for the summer.
He's only likely to be an option at 6 if he also bowls.
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He's only likely to be an option at 6 if he also bowls.
He is a son of, but is he a right type of son of?
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He is a son of, but is he a right type of son of?
He'll have to do as they are otherwise short of players with international sport bloodlines for the Ashes

1. Shaun Marsh*
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5. Jake Lehmann
6. Ben McDermott+
7. Mitch Marsh
8. James Pattinson
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1. Keaton Jennings
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3. Nick Compton
4. Gary Ballance
5. Ben Stokes
6. Johnny Bairstow+
7. Sam Curran
8. Craig Overton
9. Tom Curran
10. Stuart Broad
11. Jamie Overton

Our Australian posters may be able to suggest some more names
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St David of Warner doing his bit for the spirit of cricket - what a class act he is.
Warner taking umbridge at at a sledge. You couldn't make it up.
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Warner taking umbridge at at a sledge. You couldn't make it up.
Directed at him by Phil Hughes' younger brother. This one might have some history to it. What an utter cretin that man is. It's going to be sickening when he returns to the test team again and it'll be glorified as some sort of 'remarkable comeback'. Yuck.
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Directed at him by Phil Hughes' younger brother. This one might have some history to it. What an utter cretin that man is. It's going to be sickening when he returns to the test team again and it'll be glorified as some sort of 'remarkable comeback'. Yuck.
Why was he allowed to return ? Wouldn’t he be timed out ?
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Why was he allowed to return ? Wouldn’t he be timed out ?
The opposition allowed him to return, but otherwise he would've been retired out.
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Those who feel it is OK to intentionally insult others but claim to adhere to a self defined line as to what is acceptable can hardly complain if others use the same approach but apply a different self defined line.
Regardless of what was actually said, it's very hard to have any sympathy for Warner.
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If The Age is to be believed, the comment which upset Precious was (unsurprisingly) about ball tampering.
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