Murali retirement

slop · 7th July 2010, 11:14

Looks like he's bringing it forward, http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/con...ry/466299.html. A last chance to get 800 wickets. Incredible.

Huda · 7th July 2010, 11:46

End of era of seeing quality spin bowling. Will be a long time i feel before we get to see the quality of bowling that Murali and Warne produced.

slop · 7th July 2010, 12:13

Yeah. How many spinners are there that seem to make something happen? One's that can generate a buzz when they're bowling. Swann has a knack (especially in his first over), Vettori and Harbhajan have their moments.

**Chin Music** · 7th July 2010, 12:49

Murali is and most very likely will be unique, but cricket has been greater for his presence in my opinion.

Long Off · 7th July 2010, 15:30

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Originally Posted by slop

Yeah. How many spinners are there that seem to make something happen? One's that can generate a buzz when they're bowling. Swann has a knack (especially in his first over), Vettori and Harbhajan have their moments.

Oh McGain, you've done it again.

ddb · 7th July 2010, 15:36

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/con...ry/466431.html

He's got a point.

Long Off · 7th July 2010, 15:37

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Originally Posted by ddb

http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/con...ry/466431.html

He's got a point.

and a silly mid off too

Minor Maggie · 7th July 2010, 17:53

Is he going out on his home ground per chance? Would be fantastic to see him reach 800 wickets. Can't see anyone getting close to Warne and Murali in the future.

**Zebreus Ex Machina** · 7th July 2010, 19:18

No, the game is at Galle not Kandy.

geoff_boycotts_grandmother · 8th July 2010, 00:34

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Originally Posted by Long Off

and a silly mid off too

Certainly the greatest spinner of the modern era, and possibly of all time as well.

Long Off · 8th July 2010, 00:48

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

Certainly the greatest spinner of the modern era, and possibly of all time as well.

I wouldn't say certainly. For me Warne was better but I would say that wouldn't I

geoff_boycotts_grandmother · 8th July 2010, 01:15

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Originally Posted by Long Off

I wouldn't say certainly. For me Warne was better but I would say that wouldn't I

One took his wickets at 25, the other at 22 without Glenn McGrath at the other end and without the scoreboard pressure provided by Hayden, Langer, Ponting, M. Waugh, S. Waugh, Martyn, Gilchrist etc, without taking drugs or bungs from bookies.

Murali's average against each of India, England, South Africa, West Indies, Zimbabwe, New Zealand and Bangladesh is better than Warne's average against each of India, England, South Africa, West Indies, Zimbabwbe, New Zealand and Bangladesh.

The only country Warne has a better average than Murali against is Pakistan (and even then Murali has a better record in Pakistan than Warne).

So I don't think my eyes were deceiving me.

Long Off · 8th July 2010, 02:06

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Originally Posted by geoff_boycotts_grandmother

So I don't think my eyes were deceiving me.

By the fact that Australia won more during the respective tenures and also that Warne played such a significant part in this, I would place Warne well and truly above champion Murali.

**Chin Music** · 8th July 2010, 08:36

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Originally Posted by Long Off

By the fact that Australia won more during the respective tenures and also that Warne played such a significant part in this, I would place Warne well and truly above champion Murali.

Also Murali played on a lot more pitches tailor made for spin than Warne had, that had a big bearing on the record Murali had overall, let alone the fact that he played against Zim and Bangladesh more than Warne did. Not much in it IMO but would have Warne ahead, just.

Huda · 8th July 2010, 09:21

I'm a big fan of both, but i don't think the pitches really mattered for Murali, he could turn the ball on glass during his heyday, just that if the pitch was a dust bowl he would be almost unplayable. Watching him out think batsmen was brilliant to watch, I remember couple years back against the Aussies where he the opener in a complete mess. You could see Murali was playing with him till the final delivery where he got him out.

slop · 8th July 2010, 10:20

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Originally Posted by Huda

I'm a big fan of both, but i don't think the pitches really mattered for Murali, he could turn the ball on glass during his heyday, just that if the pitch was a dust bowl he would be almost unplayable. Watching him out think batsmen was brilliant to watch, I remember couple years back against the Aussies where he the opener in a complete mess. You could see Murali was playing with him till the final delivery where he got him out.

I agree with most of that, but I think it only really applies to the last few years. For a long time I got the feeling that Murali just bowled and bowled (very well) and eventually got wickets. Often too late for the team to avoid defeat or set up victory (not his fault he wasn't well supported). It was only in the last few years that I thought Murali coming on to bowl means something is going to happen. And it's only in the last few years I felt this applied to non-conducive pitches as well.

Dr Jezza · 8th July 2010, 10:41

I had the honour of playing on the test pitch in Kandy back in 2001, just a few days after the England vs Sri Lanka test and we used the same actually strip.

Murali had been turning it square during the test, but not one bowler in either side could get the ball to deviate much from the straight !

Awesome bowler, wonderful guy and will be sorely missed.

Mr Popodopolous · 8th July 2010, 13:05

Was a great player, probably- certainly statistically- the greatest spinner of modern times.

I've seen him play live just the once- Edgbaston in 2006, all England had to do was chase a target of 70 odd. Easy as anything, you would think. Yet he took 4/29- another 100 runs or so and it would have been difficult indeed.

Breacan · 22nd July 2010, 11:00

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Originally Posted by slop

For a long time I got the feeling that Murali just bowled and bowled (very well) and eventually got wickets.

That doesn't seem particularly consistent with his average of 22.

Eight hundred wickets - a remarkably neat closing total.

slop · 22nd July 2010, 11:17

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Originally Posted by Breacan

That doesn't seem particularly consistent with his average of 22.

It's not consistent with any average, it's just a statement taken out of context.

7th July 2010, 11:14	#1
slop Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridge Team(s): South Africa Age: 34 Posts: 10,692	Murali retirement Looks like he's bringing it forward, http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/con...ry/466299.html. A last chance to get 800 wickets. Incredible.

7th July 2010, 12:49	#4
Chin Music Administrator Whispering Death! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: the autonomous cockney republic Team(s): 'av a bleedin' guess wontcha! Posts: 12,788 My Mood:	Murali is and most very likely will be unique, but cricket has been greater for his presence in my opinion. __________________ On my best behaviour from now on!

7th July 2010, 15:36	#6
ddb County Pro Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 841	http://www.cricinfo.com/srilanka/con...ry/466431.html He's got a point. __________________ "I've played fair and hard and loved every minute of it. That would be the best way to be remembered. And also as a team man. While you're achieving team goals, your own milestones will pass by." Sachin Tendulkar.

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Dr Jezza County Pro "I need a doctor - call the nearest golf course...!" Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: East Midlands Team(s): Somerset CC Posts: 709 My Mood:	I had the honour of playing on the test pitch in Kandy back in 2001, just a few days after the England vs Sri Lanka test and we used the same actually strip. Murali had been turning it square during the test, but not one bowler in either side could get the ball to deviate much from the straight ! Awesome bowler, wonderful guy and will be sorely missed. __________________ Don't put off until tomorrow what you can do today. Especially if there's a digital timer on it and it smells like marzipan.......

7th July 2010, 11:46	#2
Huda International Material Join Date: Mar 2007 Team(s): Bangladesh Posts: 1,424	End of era of seeing quality spin bowling. Will be a long time i feel before we get to see the quality of bowling that Murali and Warne produced.

7th July 2010, 12:13	#3
slop Posting God Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Cambridge Team(s): South Africa Age: 34 Posts: 10,692	Yeah. How many spinners are there that seem to make something happen? One's that can generate a buzz when they're bowling. Swann has a knack (especially in his first over), Vettori and Harbhajan have their moments.

7th July 2010, 17:53	#8
Minor Maggie Morganesque Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Leeds Team(s): Lancashire, England Posts: 18,977 My Mood:	Is he going out on his home ground per chance? Would be fantastic to see him reach 800 wickets. Can't see anyone getting close to Warne and Murali in the future.

8th July 2010, 09:21	#15
Huda International Material Join Date: Mar 2007 Team(s): Bangladesh Posts: 1,424	I'm a big fan of both, but i don't think the pitches really mattered for Murali, he could turn the ball on glass during his heyday, just that if the pitch was a dust bowl he would be almost unplayable. Watching him out think batsmen was brilliant to watch, I remember couple years back against the Aussies where he the opener in a complete mess. You could see Murali was playing with him till the final delivery where he got him out.

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